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CHOP SHOP
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What are you talkin about? I just layed out how it is.
No names. Jim brings the biased veiws to the table here.
the thread was about width before you and jim hijacked it with tire height concerns.
Tire height is NOT an issue.:beatdeadhorse:
Really?
http://www.dnr.wa.gov/Publications/amp_rec_reiter_plng_committee_notes_052009.pdf
Consider a vehicle width limitation for vehicles on trails. (85")
Establish a size limitation for motorized vehicles on trails (i.e. wheel size?)
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CHOP SHOP
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if they are that stupid then fight for 20 inch rims.:beer:
Wheel size is a typo, they meant tire size, shows how much some of the planners know about our vehicles. I asked one of the 4x4 "represenatives" about this. He said they just need some agreeable numbers on paper.
I also found out who the 85" width number came from and they are strongly against restrictions, but once again, they need a number on paper to "put in the books".
I also found out who the 85" width number came from and they are strongly against restrictions, but once again, they need a number on paper to "put in the books".
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WHITE TRASH1
fruit stripe
If they really are against width restrictions make it simple and put a 95 or 100" restriction on it. It'll be on paper and they won't actually exclude anyone which technically would fit their criteria.
Binder
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You guys do know if this is the criteria the DNR gives the trail consultant you will end up with trails about 20' wide.
bigiron
Stuck in the Swamp
How wide is Odies yellow yota with the 66" tires?......Thats the width that we need to get them to adopt then everyone will fit everywhere and you could have a couple diffrent lines in every obstacle.
I agree, just stating some facts that if they are going to limit 4x4s then limit quads and bikes to either DOT or lug size on the tires
WOW, talk about DEJA VU!
Tire size may not be the correct issue, but like or not, it is an issue. Just because you don't think it it, doesn't mean the DNR doesn't think it is. Whether it be width or height they believe it's an issue.
Nowires is taking a good line on this one, asking them to prove it.
That video that you posted Brad does two things. It shows that the guys with smaller tires are the ones to make most of the bypasses. It also shows that if you have obstacles for guys with bigger tires, or made by guys with bigger tires, that more bypasses will be made.
The ultimate situation to me, is still legal, hardened bypasses for underprepared or damaged vehicles to use to get around the more difficult obstacles on the trail. Combine that with good signage with vehicle capability recommendations or trail ratings that are standardized, a good trail marking system (Elbe has done a good job with both of these.) and frequent maintance to keep the trail where and how it should be.
If a trail is built or designated for 33-35" at a moderate difficultly level then that's where it should be maintained. People with underprepared rigs should either choose alternate trails, or have bypasses where they can get around these most difficult obstacles. That doesn't mean that I think a stocker should be able to go on the OM and I'm a big fan of gatekeepers on these types of trails. But let's look at 311 at Evan's creek. Brake line hill as it's frequently called has deteriorated to a pretty difficult obstacle at times and a bypass route here would not only save deterioration by people spinning tires trying to get up and through but it's a major thoroughfare in the winter and constantly blocked. A properly built bypass would get people through to improve traffic flow and reduce the deterioration. Working on spots like this can make a trail more enjoyable for everyone. We did this at Elbe by putting in a bypass to completely skip the deep mudholes on the busy so that you can get around these if not properly equipped or perhaps damaged trying to make your way out.
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Most trail corridors at established DNR ORV areas are 20'-30' wide, allowing for what Gibby and the DNR have been discussing and doing: an easy line and a challenging line on the same trail.
Jim your such a flip flopper.
You claim its the big tires guys (which you hate), then when its pointed out that your statement is the most ignorant view to have you quickly change your point to "IDIOTS with big tires"
ITS NOT THE TIRES JIM. ITS REALLY NOT.
Again, why does you opinion even matter? You DONT even wheel?:scratchhead:
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn77wwedvwo&feature=player_embedded[/YT]
Heres you sign Jim.:looser: hes one of your little tire guys that cause damage and then do whatever they want.
Us "big tire" guys dont do that, its against the rules.:kissmyass:
You need to learn how to read. I have always said its the driver. Fact is a bad driver with big tires will do a lot more damage then a bad driver with little tires. All you need to do is look at the ruts and holes to figure that out. And why does your opinion even matter after all what do you do for our sport :eeek: Get some new material Brad :awesomework:
Binder
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You guys do know if this is the criteria the DNR gives the trail consultant you will end up with trails about 20' wide.
OK let me rephrase....the "lines" will be about 20' wide.
No ****...:eeek:
Gibby, I know we haven't always seen eye to eye... But, I do see you having the ability to listen and consider the opinion and views of others that may not agree with you...:awesomework:
I still may not agree with you all the time, but I try to understand your point of view...
I like the idea of have easy and hard lines as well...
stealthrunner1
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80 in the front and 79 or 78 in the back!!!!!:awesomework:
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93 inches of pure FTW
Nothing wrong with a healthy, respectful debate, followed by a cold beer.:awesomework:
So then someone would go into an area with a rig this width and justifiably cut trees because his rig is within the range stated for the trail. Screw that!!
Keep 'em narrow!!
WHITE TRASH1
fruit stripe
Not what I meant at all. There are some trails that anything over 80" just flat won't fit into. So I'd say that trails like that need their own restriction.
My truck is rather large but I can do many of the trails up at Rimrock where it is very narrow. I know what trails I can do and what I can't so I don't need to carry a saw to widen the trail because I don't go on them.
I haven't found anything up at Naches that I can't run as of yet. But if I ever do I'll do my absolute best to get out of it without any damage and never run it again.
Do you see big wide rigs up at elbe? Not that I've heard of because all the trails are super fawking narrow so wide rigs won't fit. Seems pretty easy to my dumb ass. :redneck:
