Rock ledge on the 519

Corey Y · Oct 24, 2015

This is the best, most challenging obstacle at Evans. There is an easy bypass trail just above it that is passable in 2wd. There is talk about filling in the v notch with quarry spals like they did to the beginning of the 311. Why would a club want to do this?

TreeClimber · Oct 24, 2015

It is my understanding that NO CLUB wishes to do this, and, in fact, there are clubs actively advocating AGAINST this.

Are you a demagogue ???

Corey Y · Oct 24, 2015

Read this on another forum, is it true Derek wants to dump a bunch of quarry spals in that spot?

I am glad that you and your group had a good time.**

Unfortunately, there are others don't share your idea of fun and want to change that specific part of the trail system.***

Derrick Clark (Rednecks and Rugrats Jeep Club), Evans Creek land manager through the PNW4WDA has stated that for the bedrock section of the 519 trail at Evans Creek was the highest priority section needing work in the system.http://www.pnw4wda.org/Tri-Power/2015-(10)-Oct/2015-October-TriPower.html*Go to page 12

I can't believe that there is a person in a place like this that believes that PAVING a trail is the right idea. I think the highest priority for Evans Creek ORV is to get it opened back up all year round not to take out an obsticle on a trail that already has a LEGAL bypass.

Derrick Clark- 360-761-2727 please give him a call or a text to let him know what a bad idea this is.*

Rednecks and rugrats jeep club:*https://www.facebook.com/Rednecks-Rug-R ... 456647573/

TreeClimber · Oct 24, 2015

Links no work.

I went to the recent PNW region meeting, and the issue of mitigation of that ledge was specifically brought up. And there was a vote of the member clubs in attendance. It was Unanimously voted, that all the clubs recommended NO repairs, paving, blasting, etc. of that spot. That if anything was done, was to simply put signs at both sides, recommending those not equipped use the legal bypass.

Corey Y · Oct 24, 2015

TreeClimber said:
Links no work.

I went to the recent PNW region meeting, and the issue of mitigation of that ledge was specifically brought up. And there was a vote of the member clubs in attendance. It was Unanimously voted, that all the clubs recommended NO repairs, paving, blasting, etc. of that spot. That if anything was done, was to simply put signs at both sides, recommending those not equipped use the legal bypass.

Common sense trail management, thank you :awesomework:

skinny_pedal · Oct 25, 2015

That obsticle is the sh*t coming down. Little pucker factor

cain 360 · Oct 25, 2015

That is a very fun spot let it keep growing!

JOOP · Oct 25, 2015

I'm trying to remember what ledge you guys are talking about. I know one of the trails has a pretty fun ledge that if you're not big tire you're winching.

Totalled · Oct 25, 2015

Is this what you guys are talking about?

Corey Y · Oct 25, 2015

Yes. My samurai on 31s makes it up and down no problem, just pick the correct line. Fun spot :hi:

cain 360 · Oct 25, 2015

We helped those hamerd jeep guys down. Fun

UWdave · Oct 26, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sz2dkuW9VHs&feature=youtu.be

Even more fun in the snow.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205257533947480&l=1de3857129

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205257538427592&l=f41e907ad6

dirk · Oct 26, 2015

TreeClimber said:
Links no work.

I went to the recent PNW region meeting, and the issue of mitigation of that ledge was specifically brought up. And there was a vote of the member clubs in attendance. It was Unanimously voted, that all the clubs recommended NO repairs, paving, blasting, etc. of that spot. That if anything was done, was to simply put signs at both sides, recommending those not equipped use the legal bypass.

I was at this meeting with Tony. The Eldorado Dust Devils raised the issue during this meeting and all PNW4WDA Region 2 clubs in attendance voted against making changes to this obstacle.

I think adding some warning signs would be a simple solution :awesomework:

UWdave · Oct 27, 2015

dirk said:
I was at this meeting with Tony. The Eldorado Dust Devils raised the issue during this meeting and all PNW4WDA Region 2 clubs in attendance voted against making changes to this obstacle.

I think adding some warning signs would be a simple solution :awesomework:

What would said 'warning sign' say?

"Caution, Obstacle Ahead" - you better print lots of these

"Caution, Remove any object from your ass, Pucker factor ahead"

"Fun obstacle ahead, have your winch bitch get out and film it"

Maybe I'm missing something. What 'problem' are they trying to solve? Have lots of people been getting hurt here?

CHOP SHOP · Oct 27, 2015

A warning would be admitting liability on behalf of the park.

Warning!! Oh you rolled and died! Yep we knew the dangers and put it on a sign, sue us!!

dirk · Oct 27, 2015

CHOP SHOP said:
A warning would be admitting liability on behalf of the park.

Warning!! Oh you rolled and died! Yep we knew the dangers and put it on a sign, sue us!!

I'm not sure that is absolutely correct.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=4.24.210

(4)(a) Nothing in this section shall prevent the liability of a landowner or others in lawful possession and control for injuries sustained to users by reason of a known dangerous artificial latent condition for which warning signs have not been conspicuously posted.

It seems to me that signs would help them reduce liability.

TreeClimber · Oct 27, 2015

CHOP SHOP said:
A warning would be admitting liability on behalf of the park.

Warning!! Oh you rolled and died! Yep we knew the dangers and put it on a sign, sue us!!

Every ski area in the nation posts signs, informing you what to expect on every 'trail' they operate, including closed areas. S.O.P.

CHOP SHOP · Oct 27, 2015

Well then, lets pave, sign, and fence the whole great outdoors. Its best for everybody!

dirk · Oct 27, 2015

UWdave said:
What would said 'warning sign' say?

"Caution, Obstacle Ahead" - you better print lots of these

"Caution, Remove any object from your ass, Pucker factor ahead"

"Fun obstacle ahead, have your winch bitch get out and film it"

Maybe I'm missing something. What 'problem' are they trying to solve? Have lots of people been getting hurt here?

I think its a reaction to the recent deaths in the trail system...look for spots that might be an issue and mitigate the risk. When I spoke to Derrick on the phone, I asked if anyone has been hurt at this spot. No. I suggested maybe leaving the trail alone and placing signage would be enough...similar to what is at the top of Chicken **** at Rimrock. He said he would take the feedback to the FS. The good news we should all be excited about is that all the clubs at the last PNW4WDA Region 2 meeting were against making any changes to the trail. No paving. No blasting. No rock fill.

pokey · Oct 27, 2015

dirk said:
I think its a reaction to the recent deaths in the trail system...look for spots that might be an issue and mitigate the risk. When I spoke to Derrick on the phone, I asked if anyone has been hurt at this spot. No. I suggested maybe leaving the trail alone and placing signage would be enough...similar to what is at the top of Chicken **** at Rimrock. He said he would take the feedback to the FS. The good news we should all be excited about is that all the clubs at the last PNW4WDA Region 2 meeting were against making any changes to the trail. No paving. No blasting. No rock fill.

:awesomework: this. He was just looking at preventing another death which is certainly a possibility at this spot. We have discussed signing the entry's to this spot but I don't know why the FS has not done so as yet. All that is needed is a marker similar to what's all over the forest showing easy or most difficult.