Indoor firepit

Beerj · Feb 3, 2016

I run a ventless infrared propane heater in the garage quite a bit, sometimes all day. It has a low oxygen shutoff but has never kicked on to my knowledge. And I'm willing to bet it in fact WAS designed to be used as a heat source, 30k btu is awfully high for a decorative appliance.

redneckengineered · Feb 3, 2016

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Bumpers said:
Ventless products are not designed as a Heat source. They are strictly a decorative appliance. If you were to talk to the maker of said products their recommendation will be something to the tune of you must first supply sufficient combustion air for said appliance via opening windows a minimum of 1" or other provisions. Ventless units are designed to burn 10-15 minutes at a time no more than 4 hours in a 24 hour period. The info is out there if you look. There are also very strict sizing guidelines that should be followed when buying a ventless product.

My family has been in fireplaces for a long time and have torn out and replaced countless ventless fireplaces and replaced with vented/direct vent fireplaces of some sorts. I've got I think 40 ventless fireplaces sitting behind my shop right now that we have torn out over the past year.

To me it's simple .. just like you are not suppose to leave a vehicle running in a garage with the door down due to exhaust Co poisoning. Any type of cumbustion creates byproduct no matter how efficient said product is.

Sorry for the spill but that's how I feel about ventless

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I'm not going to debate the issues that have been laid out with my "indoor firepit" but I've talked to a lot of people about ventless logs over the years and you're the first to say that they're not designed as a heat source. If anything, a ventless log will put out way more heat than any vented counterpart. My parents tiny little ventless log will blow you out of a gigantic living room in a mere 30 minutes to an hour while the massive vented log they have will warm the room but not to the point of being hot. What about gas wall heaters? We have a hunting cabin with them. They will run you out of the entire cabin in below freezing temps. They are not vented and are there strictly for backup heat to supplement the wood burning pot belly stove. Speaking of which, our hunting cabin has no power so the cabin is lit with kerosene lamps and propane lamps that burn hot and bright. At any given time, we might have a few propane lamps going and the gas wall heater, kerosene lamps, and maybe even the propane stove cooking supper. I haven't died yet from CO poisoning and those are all open flame unvented sources, been going to that cabin the better part of 30 years.

customcj7 · Feb 3, 2016

JohnG said:
Unlike CustonCJ7, I don't have a problem with vent free.

We just said the same thing. I don't have a problem with them. I have a problem with him using a burner that is designed for a vented or ventless in an open air environment that is not contained. As you said, and I thought I did, there are specific tolerances those fireboxes have to keep exhaust fumes from being dangerous. Without one you're just looking at a propane/NG fire exhausting into the house.

That's why I suggested fill the hole, and put a good old fashioned wood burning stove on it with an exhaust flue to the nearest wall or ceiling. laughing1

John Galbreath Jr. · Feb 3, 2016

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Bumpers said:
Ventless products are not designed as a Heat source. They are strictly a decorative appliance.

You need a tin foil hat, and a clue.

TacomaJD · Feb 3, 2016

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JohnG said:
You need a tin foil hat, and a clue.

Maybe he meant as a primary heat source. Obviously it's a fire....indoors....that generates heat.....so a secondary heat source - sure! But given the restricted time intervals of running them and the precautions to heed to, it should not be used as a primary heating source?

How do these ventless fireplaces stack up against the 5 brick wall heaters in terms of safety provisions? My parents still have a 5 brick Vanguard wall heater in their house for back up heat in case the central unit fails. Never really thought of the comparison between the two, because both are burning natural gas/propane in an unvented fashion.

TBItoy · Feb 3, 2016

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I'd get a 12 pack of CO detectors , a case of 9v batteries, and rock out with my indoor panty melting fire. If they start making too much racket, crank up the Johnny Cash and crack a window.

Bumpers · Feb 3, 2016

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JohnG said:
You need a tin foil hat, and a clue.

Somehow I knew you wouldn't approve :****: My opinion is based off a facts. There is plenty of info out there to research and I see it first hand all the time. They were never designed as a sole heat source and not designed to run for any period of time. If used and sized properly it would be fine but nobody does that

Beerj · Feb 3, 2016

TBItoy said:
I'd get a 12 pack of CO detectors , a case of 9v batteries, and rock out with my indoor panty melting fire. If they start making too much racket, crank up the Johnny Cash and crack a window.

In that case, screw the detectors. It'd be like a flaming roofie!

John Galbreath Jr. · Feb 3, 2016

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TacomaJD said:
Maybe he meant as a primary heat source. Obviously it's a fire....indoors....that generates heat.....so a secondary heat source - sure! But given the restricted time intervals of running them and the precautions to heed to, it should not be used as a primary heating source?

How do these ventless fireplaces stack up against the 5 brick wall heaters in terms of safety provisions? My parents still have a 5 brick Vanguard wall heater in their house for back up heat in case the central unit fails. Never really thought of the comparison between the two, because both are burning natural gas/propane in an unvented fashion.

Cannot be primary, the residence must have another source of heat by code.

Both heaters and logs have the same ODS (Oxygen Depletion Sensor) technology.

redneckengineered · Feb 3, 2016

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TBItoy said:
I'd get a 12 pack of CO detectors , a case of 9v batteries, and rock out with my indoor panty melting fire. If they start making too much racket, crank up the Johnny Cash and crack a window.

Now this is the kind of idea I can get behind.

Rich · Feb 4, 2016

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Bumpers said:
Ventless products are not designed as a Heat source. They are strictly a decorative appliance. If you were to talk to the maker of said products their recommendation will be something to the tune of you must first supply sufficient combustion air for said appliance via opening windows a minimum of 1" or other provisions. Ventless units are designed to burn 10-15 minutes at a time no more than 4 hours in a 24 hour period. The info is out there if you look. There are also very strict sizing guidelines that should be followed when buying a ventless product.

My family has been in fireplaces for a long time and have torn out and replaced countless ventless fireplaces and replaced with vented/direct vent fireplaces of some sorts. I've got I think 40 ventless fireplaces sitting behind my shop right now that we have torn out over the past year.

To me it's simple .. just like you are not suppose to leave a vehicle running in a garage with the door down due to exhaust Co poisoning. Any type of cumbustion creates byproduct no matter how efficient said product is.

Sorry for the spill but that's how I feel about ventless

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I'm curious about the "facts" you have on unvented gas appliances. You claim it's not a heat source and burn times are limited to 10-15 minutes. What research (installation manual, spec sheets, or operators manual) did you use for these facts? This info is not available in ANY of the dozens I've seen. I'm Going to guess you work for a rural LP gas company as that's the only places I've run across that feed this propaganda to the public. I'd love to see the facts to back up your statement of opinion.

Bumpers · Feb 4, 2016

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Rich said:
I'm curious about the "facts" you have on unvented gas appliances. You claim it's not a heat source and burn times are limited to 10-15 minutes. What research (installation manual, spec sheets, or operators manual) did you use for these facts? This info is not available in ANY of the dozens I've seen. I'm Going to guess you work for a rural LP gas company as that's the only places I've run across that feed this propaganda to the public. I'd love to see the facts to back up your statement of opinion.

I will be glad to post info when I have time on my computer. Right now I'm on a job removing a ventless fireplace

And no I don't work for a "rural propane company" .. I don't know how they are in your neck of the woods but here all they push is room vented fireplaces and heaters. When I have time I will get some info up.

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TacomaJD · Feb 4, 2016

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Although they aren't a tool of great risk and danger, I don't think anyone can deny the health risks if the proper safety provisions aren't followed for installation and operation.

Bumpers · Feb 12, 2016

A couple of excerpts from owners manuals and warning plates off of room vented units. There's tons more info if you want to dig for it. This is just the info that is free to customers that most never read or informed about if they are to buy a room vented product.

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jrhall · Feb 12, 2016

Did ya get the baby room finished finally? :woot:

al1tonyota · Feb 12, 2016

jrhall said:
Did ya get the baby room finished finally?

Jess has better scenes than that! :rolf:

redneckengineered · Feb 15, 2016

jrhall said:
Did ya get the baby room finished finally?

Baby room my ass :ban:

Here's some more pics of the pit of despair. I'm determined now more than ever to turn it into a firepit just so Bumpers head will explode I may die but it will have been worth it :****:

redneckengineered · Feb 15, 2016

Bumpers · Feb 15, 2016

redneckengineered said:
Baby room my ass

Here's some more pics of the pit of despair. I'm determined now more than ever to turn it into a firepit just so Bumpers head will explode I may die but it will have been worth it :****:

not going to bother me any. I just trying to save you some headache :dblthumb: