Now Brian, you're just acting dumb. Bigger rigs are going to rub more trees than smaller rigs, increasing the frequency in which it happens.
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Now Brian, you're just acting dumb. Bigger rigs are going to rub more trees than smaller rigs, increasing the frequency in which it happens.
CHOP SHOP
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been told by them i am running the busy backwards more than once. as far as i know the busy wasnt one way until all this "INVOLVEMENT". :rb:
Jeeze your an ass. you attack the very person thats trying to keep the trails open and then you go on to make fun of his club because their a faith based group:eeek: GROW UP DUDE and start paying attention. If people (like you) keep running the busy backwards we ARE going to loose that trail. were lucky to have it at all anymore and its because a a few people that choose to make a differance that we do. The only reason that Elbe wasnt changed years ago is because it was out of the way and under the radar. The rules that we are having to live by now have been in place for years they just wernt being enforced at Elbe. Now all of a sudden due to the massive amounts of damage its in the spotlight and getting lots of attention from all of the oligests and GAGs and now we have to play by the rules. Instead of attacking Gibby like an 8 year old why dont you try getting involved and helping him:eeek: He is by the way the best advocate for you larger rigs type guys that you have. The amount of ignorance thats being shown in this string is mind boggeling:booo:
I have let 1 person know on the trail that it's now a one way trail and they were unaware of it. There was another group that was running the wrong direction but they were getting back out because of some broken vehicles.
Now even if we did, that's what SELF-POLICING ourselves is all about!
The oneway was trail was was instituted by the DNR without our involvement. If you look at the current maps, you'll see the one way indications. This was BEFORE I had any involvement. So, again, you prove that you don't know what you're talking about. All we did was made the map available online and we covered the cost of printing the maps to hand out at events. Our club is also working on remapping the entire park including GPS tracks and GPS waypoints on the signs. People complained that there were no current maps and they always got lost at Elbe, so guess what, we did what no one else was doing, and helped out.
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Wow Thanks for the Drama, My meters full now.
I just love the reading......
Dale you know I support you, I have witnessed the argument firsthand and Nancy was very reluctant to allow even that wide of a restriction especially after him slipping up and mentioning Front wheel digs.
I just went out and measured my HD D44 and I'm only 76" wide but I'm running Hummer bead locks so my tires are inset.And 107' hub to Hub.
So Dale I think your Numbers were off so maybe we got an advantage of 6" by making it 82" and 107"
We all know there are three kinds of wheelers.
1) Those that do and work hard to keep it.
2) Those that don't and drink hard to wheel it.
3) And those that just don't know any better (better know as high school kids)
I just love the reading......
Dale you know I support you, I have witnessed the argument firsthand and Nancy was very reluctant to allow even that wide of a restriction especially after him slipping up and mentioning Front wheel digs.
I just went out and measured my HD D44 and I'm only 76" wide but I'm running Hummer bead locks so my tires are inset.And 107' hub to Hub.
So Dale I think your Numbers were off so maybe we got an advantage of 6" by making it 82" and 107"
We all know there are three kinds of wheelers.
1) Those that do and work hard to keep it.
2) Those that don't and drink hard to wheel it.
3) And those that just don't know any better (better know as high school kids)
Fullywrecked
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Gibby, I would like to appolagize about the "put Steve back in there" if it bothered you, Steve did a good job and I hope you do the same.
If you think my little jabs at you are anything compared to what those fawksticks are going to throw at you you need to grow some thick skin, because trying to reason with them is not something they want (they don't compromise and neither should you.) What I don't understand is where these tree hugging hippie, hemp wearing, granolabar eating fawkbags get their ideas? When it comes up you need to be able to redirect them onto matters that actually help us not hinder us. Waste their time. The meetings are only so long and if you get them off on another tangent then they don't have time to waste our time.
I appreciate you doing what your doing, but again I will enphasize.......trails don't need maintanance.........if your rig can't make it your rig does!!!! The campground needs maintanance why don't we enphasize these problems rather than letting them get on us about the width and length????. Although it seems kinda funny how the requirements are just an 1" bigger than your rig. I don't know how your wheelbase is only 107" when stock for your 4runner is about 104"???????????? With your mods and tire size I would think its longer than 3" over stock wheelbase. I have never had a problem on that trail at a longer wheelbase (116"). Not trying to disrespect you but I think they need to get on to other matters.
You state that rigs running trails they shouldn't be on is a problem. If someone leaves there rig there, I am sure I or some other co. would be happy to remove it at the owners expense. If they don't pay then lean their drivers license. Don't put restrictions on those who don't have problems playing in areas with an inferior rig or a superior rig, some people can drive and those that can't need to be responsible for there actions (like leaving there **** on the trail). I have never left my rig on a trail and abandoned it. What happens on the highway is it is towed and then impounded. Same thing should happen to the fawker that leaves his junk there. IT IS ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO REMOVE A VEHICLE, IF THE OWNER DOESN"T THEN MAKE THEM PAY TO HAVE IT DONE. Insurance will pay for this if needed, if they don't have insurance thats their problem.
The only statment I agree with is "but who are we to restrict access to a road on national land???"
The problem is Nancy Barker............what does it take to remove her from her job?:beer:
Removing Nancy Barker would be the biggest mistake we could make unless there's someone else sitting in the wings that ORV friendl and what's the likelihood of finding that in the DNR.
She has a job to do and bosses that make sure she does and people she has to answer to. The DNR has had WAY worse people in there in the past, which is why Steve had such battles.
The game is a battle of compromise on both ends and that's what's happening.
It's not funny that the measurements are 1" bigger than my rig. I have a big rig and I know how it does and does not fit. What you're still not getting is the fact that climbing a tree to get through or having to run a cage alone a tree is NOT considered fitting. I have to do that at my width and length. My sliders work overtime on the Busy levering off stumps. So what you call no problem and what the DNR calls no problem are two different things. Robin would say that he has no problem getting through the busy but...
If you're so worried about the campground then GET OUT and help. We worked on the campground at both of the last two work parties. We put in about 4 new sites last time, built and installed 8 new picnic tables, flattened tent pads on every site and flattened pads for the picnic tables. Every single work party I'd been at or run over the last two years has involved working on the campground. There's even a brand new $15k bathroom!
Whether YOU think so or not, trails require maintenance of they will get closed. It really doesn't matter if you agree with that or not, the truth it the truth.
Jeremy, if you think you can do better then DO IT!!!!!
Fullywrecked
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The requirements should be the same as on the highway 102" and over 70'. If you did a better job at contacting people to go and fight (I knew nothing of this whole meeting) You also stated that they didn't even have the width thing on the ajenda.........then you should have shut them up by telling them if they want to put something like this on it it needs to be done prior to the meeting within a reasonable time so we have time to get our info. Tell them then you are proposing a new trail to be opened and you forgot to tell them about our ajenda. If youi want me to come out I will...................I will also guarantee they won't like me but I will help get the job done. As for maintanance I will never agree with it and niether should anyone. As for the front diggs comment you should be smart enough to not give them fuel for their fire.:awesomework:
wheelinjp
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Jeremy I think what he is trying to say with trail maintainance has to do with water and mud runoff, and preservation of trees and plants, not making it easier to run. If the holes get too big for the average wheeler that average wheeler makes bypasses which takes the trail off its course in turn causing problems with the powers that be. It isnt to make it lame for us. :awesomework: That is why he is working to get trail ratings to keep the average guy off the busywild and the gatekeepers will insure this. In other words make an entrance to hard for the 33in and under guys to go through. If they are making a full size friendly version of the busy then we can run it. I think its some pretty good compromises concidering the alternative from the powers that be is probably closier.
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Ok ... Jp and I walked the whole trail today. There are a few spots that are going to be tight for my 85" but it is still do able. The bridge and this picture right here.Everything besides the bridge has a little bypass. I dont think these little bypasses are a bad thing. The damn wind storms do WAY MORE TREE DAMAGE than the wheeling rigs do. My dad works at a lumber mill and all the trees that are scuffed up could still run through the mill. They would be just butt cut 6 feet off of them and the tree is still good for #1 and #2 lumber.
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CHOP SHOP
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hey brian how many pee wee rigs did you see while you were there??
also looks like the wheelers must have killed all those trees 60 to 70 feet off the trail, huh.:booo: maybe the windy wheelers blew em down with with blinding BIG tire roost.:masturbanana[1]:
also looks like the wheelers must have killed all those trees 60 to 70 feet off the trail, huh.:booo: maybe the windy wheelers blew em down with with blinding BIG tire roost.:masturbanana[1]:
Saw nothing but jeeps up there. Nothing over 35" tires. Ran into 3 cherokees
on 33" tires heading into the busy backward. Most of the other jeeps were back at the camp.
This must be you then.http://www.dogpoundoffroad.org/pastruns/2006/elbe/Jun_17th/index.html Look to the bottom of the page at the elbe movie.
Can you say LOCKERS!!!!!! You type of people are the perfect example of how the trails get torn up. How about your fullsize trucks in the busy? Your a jackass dude. Your the type that cause all the problems.Talk about digging holes,running into trees.........your the fawks that give wheelin a bad name. Stick to mud holes fags.
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NWevergreen
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we could replant the damaged trees 3 to 1 is the standard ratio. I could donate a thousand trees . They cost .03 cents for 2.0 trees from DNR's webster nursery to keep the trails UNRESTRICTED!!!!
Your a tree guy steve. How useable is a tree that has bark missing at the bottom 6 feet?
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