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I got away with stock inners, treated 806's from long and yukon outers for a LONG time before the inner let go and ****ed it all up. Joint was still intact. Ben shattered an 806 in half hooked under a ledge in 4:1 with his 44 bog and the stock inner and yukon outer survived. broke the joint in half, since we're sharing stories. Don't buy pricey outers unless you're buying good chromo inners and CTM's or long joints. Do it all right all at once........later