MAybe this will not get deleted as 2 other post have on another website
I am told this happens very often when Rob is involved
Your posts were on NC4x4 in the direct ECORS sub section. I had no idea who it was or what it was. Before your post, I had no email, no phone call, nothing. So that I could find out what was going on, I removed the thread from public view until I got a phone call or email back explaining what was going on. I called and left a message, no returned call. This was at 3:55pm on Jan 20. I also sent you an email at 12:27pm on 1/20 asking what was going on. Instead of composing a new email and to lessen the confustion about our previous discussions, I replied to a previous email thread which contained all of our discussions and your suggestion to race on July 6 because We Rock was there late August. I agreed to the date and it was set. You confirmed this at 9:55am on October 24 via reply to my email.
After finding out Rob scheduled and event on top of a Durhamtown Dirt Riot event that was scheduled first I found out what this guy is all about
ECORS has traditionally had an end-of-August date for our events. Past August events were:
Aug 25, 2012
Aug 27, 2011
Aug 21, 2010
So, Aug 24 2013 falls right in line with what we have done in the past. We do this so teams can get accustomed to the same weekends every year. Scheduling a race on the same date as We Rock has one at your park was not on purpose.
some racers were here this past weekend and brought alot to my attention about Ecors we viewed many post that luckily that did not get deleted and some behind the scenes activity
he was asked by many racers to change a date and refused to do so he replied with an attitude
Racers made suggestions about conflicts. While we like to support our racers, we have agreements worked out and dates cannot be changed as easily as one might expect. furthermore, historically we have raced every year on the same weekend in August and this date was previously scheduled long before We Rock confirmed with Durhamtown. ECORS is established and has a history of dates we are trying to maintain; simply changing dates because another promoter NEW TO THIS REGION AND COPYING OUR VENUES AND TRYING TO STEAL RACERS is doing something else that same weekend just is not what ECORS does. If racers are truely conflicted as it was identified, we suggested that they contact the new-comer organizer to the area to adjust his schedule. One racer even said they would. I never heard anything else from it and the conversation moved on.
he told me he wanted a race before Dirt Riot so racers may break their machine and could not make the 2nd DP race
This is a complete lie and slander. I stated I would rather come before than after due to schedule and that it would likely be that some of his racers would come to our event likely with the expectation that they could basically "pre-race" the facility before the We Rock race and that it would be better for all of us (assuming the courses were somewhat similar and talking with Mike, they were). Mike suggested ECORS racing after We Rock and that we could piggy back off of his event and market ours at his event. Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from Mike, the owner of Durhamtown in email conversations about setting dates for our event and marketing: "we need to capitalize off of his event in August it will allow us to market to all of his customers for an event here it is the most effective advertising I would love to have the event after his event let him do the marketing for us"
Looks like someone is playing both sides!
this guy is shaky he wants me to pay him to bring his event here give him 5 tickets for each truck for co-riders and pit crew this I find out he his pre-selling the 5 tickets for cash
last event we had 14 paying spectators he stated we get over 1000 spectators I was hoping to cover back my expenses NOT...
New for 2013, ECORS pre-sells discounted gate passes for race team members. We have lost revenue because we failed to capture spectators and extra team members for each race team on Thursdays and Fridays (our fault!). This pre-sell was put in place to allow teams to get good discounts on team gate passes rather than paying the at-the-gate price the day of the event (we give the drive free entry, everyone else pays because every team has different number of "team members"). These tickets are set at $8 each, sold in sets of 5 because we have 5 races. It is specifially noted during purchase that there are limitations, specifically at Durhamtown and Harlan. I addressed this to Mike, in an email so we have documentation of it, that teams are pre-purchasing gate tickets but there are limitations on it at places like Durhamtown. I asked what we could work out for them because Durhamtown was keeping 100% of the gate. His reply is, and I quote: "we can give each team 5 spectator passes for $5 each"
Why would a team member buy a ticket for $8 from me when they could get it for $5 from Durhamtown??? This makes no sense!
I asked for the same deal that we worked out last year. In a nutshell, I brought the race there with all the racers, their crew, spectators, etc, and he kept 100% of the gate. All I asked for was $2,000 to cover our travel expenses and efforts for myself and partner and a cabin for myself and partner while we were there and a land use permit for the racers only, and only on the ECORS track. Durhamtown kept 100% of the gate, 100% of RV sites, camping, cabiins, land use fees by racers out riding the park, land use fees by spectators, etc. I provided volunteers to mark the course, run the race, and clean up. Mike bulldozed a trail through the course much different than what we discussed and insisted we use it even though it wasn't in the original discussions as what we wanted and were looking for. Mike provided a course worker to run a spectator crossing area. The course worker(s) decided to just leave post during the middle of the race, leaving the course open for racers to cross a spectator access in a BLIND corner. Luckily one of our racers (that had broken down on course in the area) noticed the danger and took over the post for the rest of the day!
We requested to get the event on the Durhamtown website. It was never put up. We requested that the event be included in the mass emails that he sends out. It was not. We marketed as we normally do, social media, on multiple online forums, etc. (free stuff, as we stated initially). Lack of spectators was a failure on both of our parts, but mostly falls on Durhamtown as they said they had a huge marketing campaign for it, and as Mike would say, NOT!!!
I have had many racers express how frustrated and been mistreated by ECORS in the past two days I was totally blindsided by all of this
I'm not sure what this means. Arguing your point with generalities is meaningless. We've had mistakes in the past, but we've always paid what we said we would pay or given out what we would give out. There may be an exception or 2 on a t shirt in year (month) 1. We may(or are) have been slow, but we have done what we promised. When we started, we had a lot of We Rock racers come to us a little gun-shy due to the mistreatment they had in the past and welcomed the new, fresh Series and enjoyed it. Remember, Ron and I developed ECORS while we both have full time jobs with 60+ hours each week. We made mistakes and have grown from that in the past. But, we all start somewhere and have learned and moved on and gotten better. Not bad for a part time gig after only 3 years.
Durhamtown does not need the Drama from ECORS
Durhamtown will give a 100 % commitment to Dirt Roit until I see a reason not to
many racers are asking to Host a Durhamtown Event
We may just begin our own series with the GP track and a Short Course event
So, it looks like now Durhamtown is going to compete against We Rock now too? Make up your mind and commit yourself and loyalty to someone rather than tossing out who got you here and moving on to what you think the next best thing is...
this guy is not about the sport only HIM
Durhamtown will not support HIM
thanks mike
dirt riot and ecors and whereever else there might be a race of our kind 
More details to come 
