I believe that would be a concensus number FOR your membership. The PNW4WDA has made it clear in the past that they work for the benefit of their membership, not all 4 wheelers. And do NOT tell me that that's not the truth. If I felt like searching hard enough I could show where you said this. I had a discussion with a fellow land manager while I had a more active role, and I quote, "I don't give a S*&T about Joe Public wheeler. I only care about what our membership wants." I'll leave his name out but I doubt many people know who he is anyway.

We know quite well that in every online poll taken that 80" comes no where close to including a significant majority of the wheelers that use these public lands, but I bet it would include a large majority of the Region 2 PNW4WDA members.

I'm not going to be restricted as I have (or will have when the Willys is done), a vehicle that fits the little guy trails and a vehicle that will fit the big guy trails. So it's not a personal issue about what I can or cannot do, it's about what's best for the 4 wheel drive community as a whole. 74" is ridiculous, 80" is still not sufficient.

The PNW4WDA chose to snub my suggestion to shoot for a system in which trails were individual rated or restricted, instead I was told to bring it to a meeting, even though I cannot vote or submit anything for a vote.

That being said, I do recall where you Jim, replied on a few threads that the Region was NOT going to bring any restriction to the table with the USFS but rather were preparing a response in the case that you were asked. I don't think it's fair to suggest that the PNW4WDA had anything to do with setting these limits, but perhaps the choice to not be proactive wasn't the best since the USFS went forward with a ridiculous number without asking. Unless there were back room discussions on this, I don't believe that the PNW4WDA had anything to do with setting the restrictions at Evans Creek and I do hope that they'll decide to support a system to is beneficial to ALL 4 wheel drive enthusiats, not just their membership. That system would be a trail by trail rating done by experienced 4 wheel drive users that don't have a personal agenda.