Heavy Hauling Anyone?

Hotrod · Jul 21, 2011

Kinda proud of the new investment. Spent a chunk on getting it all setup, but save 60% over buying a new trailor. We already had the truck, we just finished all the fab on the haul unit. I just thaught it was cool and figured alot of truck lovers would to. I had the truck turned up to 550hp and we can gross 185k. Can put 125 to 130k on the deck of the trailor. Here is a couple pics of it loaded and unloaded from hauling home from T town yesterday.

Oh BTW its 110 feet long :****:

blacksheep10 · Jul 21, 2011

That a live stinger or shim style? If you can gross 185, you only weigh~ 55k? I think our truck with dual'd pusher, no sleeper, double frame, 20K front, etc and 55 ton lowboy weighs 47k without the stinger. I would have guessed you over 55 with stinger and jeep. That's cool. What engine and trans? c15 or 16 and 18 speed? Our 03 KW with a C15 is a single turbo no emission truck with an 18 speed and day cab, it needs more power. Our 09 c15 with twins and smog with 18 speed will walk the dog. The twins are badass, the power is about 600 rpm lower and still pulls it on out.

Hotrod · Jul 21, 2011

blacksheep10 said:
That a live stinger or shim style? If you can gross 185, you only weigh~ 55k? I think our truck with dual'd pusher, no sleeper, double frame, 20K front, etc and 55 ton lowboy weighs 47k without the stinger. I would have guessed you over 55 with stinger and jeep. That's cool. What engine and trans? c15 or 16 and 18 speed? Our 03 KW with a C15 is a single turbo no emission truck with an 18 speed and day cab, it needs more power. Our 09 c15 with twins and smog with 18 speed will walk the dog. The twins are badass, the power is about 600 rpm lower and still pulls it on out.

Well if you know that much bout this stuff you know some of the weights are a guessing game. I have the AL Dot set up to come to our yard with scales to get exact weights with 3 different excavators we have. I think our truck and trailor set up is some where in the mid to high 50's like you said, but we will see for sure real soon I hope. I am nervous about permits untill I know for sure cuz it will suck balls to get parked with a paying load headed somewhere. The truck is underpowered imo. It is an ISX cummins with single turbo with particulate filter on the exhaust, 18 speed Eaton. We have some dumps with 475 Cat's with twins and they will eat the Cummins alive IMO. I drive them as a fill in, and the Pete always has a bigger load, but the Cat's seem to come out of the hole way quicker.

CHASMAN9 · Jul 21, 2011

All that just for your new RAZR. Can't hide cheddar or is it Bleu cheese? :flipoff1:

blacksheep10 · Jul 21, 2011

Hotrod said:
Well if you know that much bout this stuff you know some of the weights are a guessing game. I have the AL Dot set up to come to our yard with scales to get exact weights with 3 different excavators we have. I think our truck and trailor set up is some where in the mid to high 50's like you said, but we will see for sure real soon I hope. I am nervous about permits untill I know for sure cuz it will suck balls to get parked with a paying load headed somewhere. The truck is underpowered imo. It is an ISX cummins with single turbo with particulate filter on the exhaust, 18 speed Eaton. We have some dumps with 475 Cat's with twins and they will eat the Cummins alive IMO. I drive them as a fill in, and the Pete always has a bigger load, but the Cat's seem to come out of the hole way quicker.

We have a cummins in a 10 wheeler and with 70k on it feels like crap until you're over 1500 rpm

The c15's in teh semi's and the twin dump truck to the cummins come on at like 1300, and the c15 with twins is LIT at just over 1000. Its stupid how that thing with twins feels. Even with the particulate filter, it is a monster. Funny thing is the 09 is the one that is on our 35 ton lowboy, and we take it everywhere. The 55 ton with stinger sits almost all the time until a crane or our 300HD Komatsu needs hauled. The more powerful truck has the smaller trailer laughing1
Either way, that 18 speed makes up for a lot if you have over 500 horse. That said, all I've ever grossed was 138k with the weaker 485 horse cat, and it was no dragster booyang

blacksheep10 · Jul 21, 2011

Also, are those trail king? how many ton trailer?
Is the stinger wet or shimmed?

04rubi · Jul 21, 2011

sharp truck always wanted to do some heavy haulin. here's the kw we got. c15, 10 spd, 475hp. we also got 2 379 pete sleeper trucks. same setup as kw pretty much and a 379 daycab.

Bronco Buster · Jul 21, 2011

You know it's great when you need a permit empty. That is a nice setup. :****:

jtrogers83 · Jul 22, 2011

company i work for on the sides new peterbilt

Hotrod · Jul 22, 2011

Man those are good looking trucks. The trailor is a 50 ton. I have to go vet the specifics outs of my cheat book on the jeep and stingers,I can't remember them. It is shimmed, I would like to go wet with it. We need to pto the truck before we do any thing else. Shimming isn't bad, I learned some hard lessons on our first haul. Parked it with the front of the rig slight down hill from the rear and it made shimming for the crane tuff. The jeep and trailor are Trail King and the stingers where built by a local company called Liddell which is owned by a company in Texas now.

1TONZR2 · Jul 22, 2011

here is my new heavy hauler for the next year......the weights posted do not include the up-armored version. :driving:

Curb weight 50,900lbs
The M984E1 is a wrecker vehicle with 95,000-lb (43 000 kg) GVWR and 114,000-lb (51 700 kg) GCWR that can be increased to 155,000-lb (70 370 kg) GCWR under certain conditions

Engine: Manufacturer: Detroit Diesel Allison
Model: 8V92TA
Type: 8 cylinder, 2-stroke, V-type Diesel
Rating: 450 hp, @ 2100 rpm
Fuel: Diesel, DF-2, JP-4, JP-8, VV-F-800
Oil: 30 qt. With Filter (MIL-L-2104D, MIL-L-46167)
Cooling System: 80 qt., Water, Radiator
Fan: Engine-driven, Clutch Type

Transmission: Manufacturer: Allison, Automatic
Model: HT740D
Speeds: 4 Speeds Forward/ 1 Reverse
Oil: 38 qt. With Filter

Transfer: Manufactuer: Oshkosh Truck Corporation, 55000
Type: Air Operated, Front Tandem Disconnect
Oil: 6.5 qt.

1TONZR2 · Jul 22, 2011

had to post this too....The army's heavy hauler. The HET It was designed to haul the M1 Abrams which comes in at a lightweight of 70tons
# Tractor Length: 358 in
# Tractor Width: 102 in
# Trailer Length: 622 in
# Trailer Width (at rear bumper): 144.8 in
# Tractor Curb Weight: 41,000 lbs
# Trailor Curb Weight: 50,000 lbs
# Payload: 140,000 lbs
# Engine: 500 horsepower Detroit Diesel
# Transmission: 5-speed automatic
# Speed: 40-45 mph on highway (25-30 mph with 70 ton payload)
# Range: 300 mi
# Fording: 28 in

Pumpkin · Jul 22, 2011

The new M984A4 has a C15 cat and pulls great (a lot better then the A1 or A2) While deployed in 03-04 I had to haul the HET and trailer loaded with a M1A2 a few times. The old detroit did not like the hills but on flat ground it would outrun the rest of the loaded trucks

KINGSNAKE · Jul 25, 2011

here a few of our rigs

we built this trailer

blacksheep10 · Jul 25, 2011

That Pete has its pusher up in ever photo. Why is that?
We ended up buying a new 5th wheel slide and have the trailer 3" off the back of the truck now so we can axle the pusher/drives and front better. As it was, by the time the pusher ended up with enough on it, the front axle was way under so you could never hit your gross without being over on a group. Now we can get near upper teens on the front (it is rated over 20k and has 445 super singles on it)

patooyee · Jul 25, 2011

Just out of curiosity for someone who has no frame of reference, about how many ft/lbs will a big 500 hp engine like that put out?

J. J.

1TONZR2 · Jul 25, 2011

The 8V92s that are in the trucks I posted up earlier have around 12-1300 lbs/tq both of them run a single turbo stacked with a superchager....

broncobilly66 · Jul 25, 2011

Those are some awesome loads. What the hell is that you're hauling?

blacksheep10 · Jul 26, 2011

patooyee said:
Just out of curiosity for someone who has no frame of reference, about how many ft/lbs will a big 500 hp engine like that put out?

J. J.

The 18 speeds behind the cats have 3 ratings you can buy. without looking it up, I'm thinking its 1800, 2000 and 2200 ft/lbs. might be full of S on that but that was talking to a HEAVY hauler on the interstate getting coffee while we were enroute to Minnesota last year. He had a c16 with a 2200 ft/lb 18 speed.