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So the gov't spent 725 BILLION dollars bailing out the Bank's and the Auto manufactures.


Thats fine and dandy, but we the consumer's these company's rely on still got a piss poor economy and most company's are suffering because we the consumer's are not spending money.

The Population of the United States of America as estimated in July is 303,824,640

What is 725 Billion divided by 303,824,640 ?

Im not a smart person and I'd surely F that math up so someone help me out... Im curious what that figure is :dunno:


For the first time in my life I really feel like our goverment has F'd us collectively in 08. Bailing out these companies isnt going to make people start buying cars and homes , or make it easier for them to pay debt's they have already accumulated. And until the consumer is relieved ... they are NOT going to get any relief. Even if they are currently fat in the pocket with OUR TAX DOLLAR'S.
 
~$2400/Person

Am I going to buy a car or a house? Nope, can I get the 0% rates on cars or 4% on homes, nope. Why's that? I don't have **** for a down payment. Granted I spend my $$ in ways I prolly shouldn't, but I think every dollar I spend is taxed to death.

Granted I have few debts and can pay them all with ease, but why would I want to go spend $$ when everything is going tits up and all we are getting told is to STAY OUT OF DEBT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

I rambled a lot there, I have been at work for a LONG time today
 
First off, I had to trick my calculator, cause it deos not understand number that big.

But, $2,386.24 per person. But, if you take illegals into consideration, about $75.
 
I think we got ****ed by the government this year and it set a trend that says they can continue ****ing us in the future. I sincerely believe we are witnessing the beginning of the end of the American superpower. Our government officials are out of ****ing control and no one can stop them. Burgoyabitch is just the one who got caught ... I sincerely believe that they're ALL like him, just better at not getting caught. Not a single one of them wouldn't sell America down the river for the right price.

The year of the economic collapse, America reeling on its financial heels. Foreclosures are at an all-time high, the American family is making less and spending mroe to survive and still being kicked out of their homes. Congress is trying to force auto execs to work without pay yet those ****ing crooks in congresses voted themselves a raise when their approval rating is at an all-time low of 13%! A bill was considerd to keep the raise from happening but only 34 congresspeople got behind it. ONLY 34 CONGRESS PEOPLE DIDN'T SELL YOU DOWN THE RIVER FOR A $4600/YEAR PAY INCREASE! Consider that when you brag about how your candidate is going to change things, when you think that your guy is the one and only honest person in Washington.

I wish there was an optio when we vote to choose none of the above. And if none won, no one would get elected. Then those ****ers would think twice before they sold us all out!

J. J.
 
A good email that just came through to me titled, "The Boss:"

"To All My Valued Employees,

There have been some rumblings around the office about the future of this company, and more specifically, your job. As you know, the economy has changed for the worse and presents many challenges. However, the good news is this: The economy doesn't pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is the changing political landscape in this country.
However, let me tell you some little tidbits of fact which might help you decide what is in your best interests.

First, while it is easy to spew rhetoric that casts employers against employees, you have to understand that for every business owner there is a Back Story. This back story is often neglected and overshadowed by what you see and hear. Sure, you see me park my Mercedes outside. You've seen my home at last years Christmas party. I'm sure; all these flashy icons of luxury conjure up some idealized thoughts about my life.

However , what you don't see is the BACK STORY :

I started this company 28 years ago. At that time, I lived in a 300 square foot studio apartment for 3 years. My entire living apartment was converted into an office so I could put forth 100% effort into building a company, which by the way, would eventually employ you.

My diet consisted of Ramen Pride noodles because every dollar I spent went back into this company. I drove a rusty Toyota Corolla with a defective transmission. I didn't have time to date. Often times, I stay ed home on weekends, while my friends went out drinking and partying. In fact, I was married to my business -- hard work, discipline, and sacrifice.

Meanwhile, my friends got jobs. They worked 40 hours a week and made a modest $50K a year and s pent every dime they earned. They drove flashy cars and lived in expensive homes and wore fancy designer clothes. Instead of hitting the Nordstrom's for the latest hot fashion item, I was trolling through the discount store extracting any clothing item that didn't look like it was birthed in the 70's. My friends refinanced their mortgages and lived a life of luxury. I, however, did not. I put my time, my money, and my life into a business with a vision that eventually, some day, I too, will be able to afford these luxuries my friends supposedly had.

So, while you physically arrive at the office at 9am, mentally check in at about noon, and then leave at 5pm, I don't. There is no "off" button for me. When you leave the office, you are done and you have a weekend all to yourself. I unfortunately do not have the freedom. I eat, and breathe this company every minute of the day. There is no rest. There is no weekend. There is no happy hour. Every day this business is attached to my h ip like a 1 year old special-needs child. You, of course, only see the fruits of that garden -- the nice house, the Mercedes, the vacations... you never realize the Back Story and the sacrifices I've made.

Now, the economy is falling apart and I, the guy that made all the right decisions and saved his money, have to bail-out all the people who didn't. The people that overspent their paychecks suddenly feel entitled to the same luxuries that I earned and sacrificed decades of my life for.

Yes, business ownership has its benefits but the price I've paid is steep and not without wounds.

Unfortunately, the cost of running this business, and employing you, is starting to eclipse the threshold of marginal benefit and let me tell you why:

I am being taxed to death and the government thinks I don't pay enough. I have state taxes. Federal taxes. Property taxes. Sales and use taxes. Payroll taxes. Workers compensation taxes. Unemployment taxes. Taxes on taxes. I have to hire a tax man to manage all these taxes and then guess what? I have to pay taxes for employing him. Government mandates and regulations and all the accounting that goes with it, now occupy most of my time. On Oct 15th, I wrote a check to the US Treasury for $288,000 for quarterly taxes. You know what my "stimulus" check was? Zero Nada. Zilch.

The question I have is this: Who is stimulating the economy? Me, the guy who has provided 23 people good paying jobs and serves over 2,200,000 people per year with a flourishing business? Or, the single mother sitting at home pregnant with her fourth child waiting for her next welfare check? Obviously, government feels the latter is the economic stimulus of this country.

The fact is, if I deducted (Read: Stole) 50% of your paycheck you'd quit and you wouldn't work here. I mean, why should you? That's nuts. Who wants to get rewarded only 50% of their hard work? Well, I agree which is why your job is in jeopardy..

Here is what many of you don't understand ... to stimulate the economy you need to stimulate what runs the economy. Had suddenly government mandated to me that I didn't need to pay taxes, guess what? Instead of depositing that $288,000 into the Washington black-hole, I would have spent it, hired more employees, and generated substantial economic growth. My employees would have enjoyed the wealth of that tax cut in the form of promotions and better salaries. But you can forget it now.

When you have a comatose man on the verge of death, you don't defibrillate and shock his thumb thinking that will bring him back to life, do you? Or, do you defibrillate his heart? Business is at the heart of America and always has been. To restart it, you must stimulate it, not kill it. Suddenly, the power brokers in Washington believe the poor of America are the essential drivers of the American economic engine. Nothing could be further from the truth and this is the type of change you can keep.
So where am I going with all this?

It's quite simple.

If any new taxes are levied on me, or my company, my reaction will be swift and simple. I fire you. I fire your co-workers. You can then plead with the government to pay for your mortgage, your SUV, and your child's future. Frankly, it isn't my problem anymore.

Then, I will close this company down, move to another country, and retire. You see, I'm done. I'm done with a country that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive. My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, will be my citizenship.

So, if you lose your job, it won't be at the hands of the economy; it will be at the hands of a political hurricane that swept through this country, steamrolled the constitution, and will have changed its landscape forever. If that happens, you can find me sitting on a beach, retired, and with no employees to worry about....

Signed, THE BOSS"

J. J.
 
reality is, they've poured a helluva lot more money than 700 billion into the banks.

more like 5-7 trillion.


and the system is in worse shape than ever.

Citigroup- on death's door.
BOA-- barely surviving, .gov now holds 6% stake in the bank. largest single shareholder.


propping up a failing system I'm afraid.


the 2nd shoe hasn't even dropped on the housing market. on top of that, something like 50% of the loans they "fixed" this year by refinancing so they would save forclosure, ARE ALREADY BACK IN DEFAULT.

as a country, we've spent WAYYYYYYY beyond our ability to pay for more than a couple decades now.

the lionshare of our economy is based on CONSUMER SPENDING, not manufacturing of anything. now that the consumers can't spend, because we've borrowed ourselves into a massive pile of debt, and can't get anymore credit, the economy is failing. .gov has been out of control spending wise for more than a couple decades also. .gov is just about to the point where they can't borrow anymore. wait till the chinese decide to quit backing our debt by buying US treasuries.


don't even get me on the welfare mentality we've bred into multiple generations in this society. to the point that a pretty sizeable majority of the country thinks its the .gov's job to provide for their every need.



pretty obvious I"m not 2 optimistic as to the future of this little experiment that is the USA.
 
I am glad that lazy fat Americans will still want cable!

Other than that, it will be a good 4-5 years for me to stay in school and get my MBA and JD.
 
We havent had cable since HB was like 1 year old... thats like 8 years. Sure it would be nice to turn on some of the "cool" stuff people get spun up about , but I prefer to spend my entertainment money on beer and wheeling . laughing1 Or eating out with the girls etc.

I have never in my life bought new furniture ( which I hope to change this year or next...

I havent used a CC since I dont even know when , and while I do spend a lot of money... its all money I actually have to spend 90% of the time. ( unless its P pal because the interest rate on that is so damn good ! :woot: )

I agree American's spend alot of money on nonsense and it does seem "acceptable" to alot of people to bury done in CC debt. I dont know, I just cant do it personally. But Im not a penny pincher by any means either ! laughing1
 
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