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fl-krawler

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Ok so with the end of the semester at school, now comes the time to finally start the build thread to my new buggy. I will now have some time to devote to this project every week and my hope is the pressure of a build thread and a planned ride at Harlan, Ky, Memorial weekend will keep me motivated and on track to get this rig done.

This buggy is a result of my A.D.D. for the last 3 years. Almost every aspect of it has been worked, reworked, the worked over again in my mind, in bend tech, and then in solid works with the help of a friend who is a M.E. Everything can be improved on, and this project is an in progress example of this. So here we go:

Everything started not soon after I built my last buggy at the end of '06
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For the most part I was extremely pleased with this buggy. It went where I wanted, and was surprisingly agile and stable for its size. I had a custom soft top made for it, and IMO was the ultimate in a hardcore "family" rig(it was a 4 seater)
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As with any rig, the more you wheel it, the more you find things that could be improved on and my old buggy was no exception. The most major concern I had with it was the weight. At 6000lbs it was no lightweight. While most of the time it was a blessing more than a curse, I felt the new buggy could be downsized a little, and still retain all the good qualities of the larger buggy. A smaller chassis would also help drop some weight, as would a step down in tire size(also planned). And last but not least, I wanted to change to roofline to allow a flat roof with an aluminum panel, since it would provide a little more protection for the occupants of the rig, and wouldnt get as easily destroyed as the soft top I had made.

So with that I started a new chassis. I knew I wanted to stick with rockwells since the cost to strength factor was very appealing, not to mention the fact I already had two steering axles sitting in my shop waiting to be put to use. Originally my goal was to drop 500-600lbs of overall weight and use a LT1 I had sitting in the shop.
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Not long after I started it, I came across a deal on a LS1, and quickly relised that the chassis didnt fit the LS engine as well as it did the LT. I also started to get a little greedy with my weight goal, so I decided to drop it to a 4500lb trail ready weight. I was pretty much willing to do whatever it took to meet this goal, BUT I made it a priority to maintain the comfort/legroom of the old buggy,keep the rockwells, and retain the heat/air conditioning from the old buggy since it was a family rig. So I scrapped the idea of using the chassis I had started and went back to the drawing board

Now with a 4500lb weight goal, I knew I needed to drop some weight anywhere, and everywhere I could without sacrificing strength, reliabilty, safety, and the things I wanted to keep from the old buggy.One of the heaviest components on the buggy is the axles, so thats where I started. After a few weeks of research, I didnt turn up many options to drop weight on the axles other than using different wheel hubs(more on this later). After discussing the issue with a friend, I was pointed to a thread on another forum of a truck that was being built for the TGW events.

I found out that Steve Gerstner at www.differentialeng.comhttp://http:// had built a one off set of rockwells that had been modified to be lighter. So after a phone call to Steve, and a wait to get worked into his schedule, I finally had a pair of modified steering housings. They have been milled, machined, and retubed and should result in around a 40lb weight reduction per housing once everything is done on them.

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Its getting late so I will stop right there for now. I will try to get more pics uploaded before the end of the weekend
 
Keep us updated, but what about that truck bed in the last photo?

Thats kinda pimp.
 
blacksheep10 said:
that's gerstners truck. Like an F650 with a 1 ton bed on it, so there was room to make a drop box inside the bed to the frame.

yep


Ok so I guess I should post some specs on the rig. Wheelbase should end up somewhere around 120". The last buggy was 100" wide and 92" tall. This buggy I am shooting for a 90" width and an 80" cage height. All the load bearing pillars in the chassis are 1.75" x .120" wall DOM, and the remainder of the tubes in the chassis will be a combination of .095" wall, and .083" wall depending on their location and job.

Drivetrain will constist of 2 steering rockwells, turned by a LS1/ 700R4/ Stak 3 spd(3.0/5.44) combo.I was pretty happy with my Iroks, but I wanted something a little more aggressive. Dev over at www.intercotire.comhttp://http:// was pretty helpful with my needs and I will getting a set of 17-47/17 LTB's to put under the buggy, mounted on some 17x10 centerline wheels. Control arms are being built from 2" x .250 wall DOM and 1.25" heims with high misalignment spacers. For link mounts I used a combination of BTF mounts and and home made brackets. The shocks are 2.5" x 18" Sway-Aways, but I will be using shaft mounted TJ bumps, and limiting straps to limit the travel to 16".

The chassis will be using a narrowed hoodand grille, as well as a narrowed cowl from BTF(for their fusion chassis)
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On my last buggy I hated the mouse holes cut in the side as the only means to get in and out. The lack of rocker protection also meant that the bottom of the side panels usually got mangled pretty quick. To remidy this issue, I built a set of tubular steps into this buggy that should help protect the bottom of the panels as well.
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Quick test fit of the axles at full stuff, before they were disassembled and sent to Differential Engineering. The front chassis frame rails have a 7" rise in them to accomadate the rockwells and a low ride height. I plan to eventually shorten the grill to fit correctly
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Of course no buggy is complete without a posturopedic back set :flipgotcha:
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Thats all for today...
 
Ok, time for some new pics.

Drivetrain set in place, mounted on poly bushings
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Disregard the batteries setting there. I thought about putting them there, but I now have much bigger plans for that area of the belly. Optima batteries are also junk, and heavy, so I plan to use two Braille batteries instead since they are much lighter http://www.braillebattery.com/index.php/batteries/b2317/

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For link mounts at the chassis and shock tabs I used off the shelf BTF parts. For the axle end I used BTF D60 angled link tabs, but cut the round axle tube notch to fit the square rockwell housings. I wanted my link mounting hole to be flush with the top of the axle so it worked out perfectly. I custom built the upper link mounts
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The engine is set back into the firewall about 5". Even with that engine/axle clearance is pretty tight. I am going to have to relocate the alternator since the driveshaft is sitting where it would be
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Thats all for now.
 
looks good
you will diffenently like the ltbs over the iroks
have you thought about aluminum hubs, i dropped 21-24 lbs per hub by changing
why not use aluminum links?
 
I am going to be doing the ouverson super 8 hubs, combined with a set of tubeworks extreme 14" rotors , and spidertrax rotor hats. I am still undecided on what caliper I am going to run, but I hear Randy has an all alum. version of his 6 piston calipers . I am just not sure my budget will be able to handle his asking price. I know that the super-8 is exactly 30lbs lighter than the stock rockwell whel hub.

Alum. links were also in the original plans, but there just isnt enough in the budget to go that route at this time. The 2" DOM was donated by a customer so it fit my budget perfectly. Eventually I will upgrade to alum. links after the buggy has been finished.


Yeah its going to be a big buggy, but considerably smaller than my last one. I have to haul my wife and 2 kids around, so I have to have something that is comfortable for them to ride in, and has enough storage to bring all the stuff they need for a weekend of wheeling.

Thanks everybody for the compliments
 
Some new pics of the front susp. almost finished.

Custom upper link mount, I still need to finish boxing it in
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Front shocks are mounted. I will be adding a removable engine cage, after I get the radiator mounted. The radiator will sit at close to a 45*angle to provide axle /hood clearance since I plan to put a 26" x 24" radiator on this rig
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Back seat mocked into place. Headroom is tight so I may chop the lower frame rails and redo them to allow the seat to sit lower
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This will be the last update for a while.. I am going on vacation and I will be in Colorado for the next 2 weeks
 
looks great :woot: really nice to see someone doing new tech. for rockwells let us know how the knuckels hold up :driving:
 
Had UPS deliver some goodies on Friday. A big thanks goes out to patooyee for the tech on these
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I also ordered my radiator so hopefully I will get back on this project next week. I plan to cut the rear lower section of the chassis out and redo it, to allow the rear seat to sit lower for better head room
 
not sure how hard you ride but you might think about some thicker metal on the front link towers. i ripped my towers, made out of 1/2", off and it was penetrated.
 
It will be boxed in before the rig is finished. I ran similar mounts on my old buggy and after 2 years of wheeling I had no issues with them.
 
looks like an air shifter setup for the Stak...i thought about doing that with my 231/205 doubler, but I have no air source on my rig....yet
 
1TONZR2 said:
looks like an air shifter setup for the Stak...i thought about doing that with my 231/205 doubler, but I have no air source on my rig....yet

Yep taking this thread into consideration: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=764135 and the fact that the shifters would be close to being under my leg, air shifters seemed the most logical solution to both problems.
 
My custom Griffin radiator showed up today
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This is another area of improvement over my old buggy. This radiator measures 26"x 24" so keeping the LS1 cool while getting it on an obstacle shouldn't be an issue. My welders have been down all week, but tomorrow I have 1 customer's rig to finish up before I can get back on this for a few days
 
Ok time for a few new pics... I have managed to get quite a bit done on this buggy in the last week, despite being sidetracked working on other peoples stuff, and school.

I finally got the rear 4 link built. I still have to finish this upper link mount by boxing it into the 3rd member better.
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Getting the susp. squared away enough allowed me to raise the chassis up to the height it will be sitting at full bump. Currently it has 16" under the belly. and a 75" cage height.. Ride height will be plus 7"
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I also started on the rear tubework.
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I am still a little undecided how I want to go about the upper shock mount. I have several ideas, but for right now I am going to finish out the tube work, before I decide which route I take on the mounts
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time for more pics:
rear shock mounts
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and I got a little more of the rear tube work done
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My wheels should be here Friday, but I just found out today that my tires are on a 2 month back order
 
Some more parts showed up today. These are my Ouverson Super-8 wheel hubs
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With these I will be able to run a set of 8 lug 17 x 9 Allied alum. beadlocks
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I assumed the new hubs would be alot smaller and close to in size to a 1 ton wheel hub..WRONG!
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Another misconception, was that I read somewhere that these hubs were close to 30lbs lighter than the stock rockwell hubs. Had I known the real weight difference I probably would have went a different route than these, most likely the wicked 6 hub(which is 20lbs lighter) and a 16" alum. wheel from Real. That option would have left me pretty limited on wheel brake choices though.

For future reference, the stock rockwell wheel hubs weigh in at 43lbs each with bearing races and the drive flange
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The super 8 hub, with the drive flange, wheel studs, and bearing races weighs in at 34lbs
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