The Proof

[Twigs n Berries]

The Proof is in the pudding as the Jeep guys call it,

The Proof is in the Birfield soup as Toyota guys call it

And the Proof of the intentional, mis leading information is linked to on post 25 on the Mushroom Factory Thread,

These are facts that I have uncovered,
This is supposed to be hard core tech, get a sample of Birfield soup and prove me wrong.
I have done my homework and analized samples.

 

[Eric]

I have done my homework and analized samples.

How? By looking at them? Do you have a lab to test the lubrication properties of differnt compounds?

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

So if we use the correct lube we will stop crushing trunion bearings under extreme usage with 40"+ tires and snapping birfs with doubled transfer cases and lockers?

 

[luggs]

So if we use the correct lube we will stop crushing trunion bearings under extreme usage with 40"+ tires and snapping birfs with doubled transfer cases and lockers?

this poor dude is talking bout driving land crusers down i90 at 70 mph into spokane on the ice in 4 high.....he dosent know bobby is our local hero.and we all put bobby to the test every weekend.....allways works when i need him to....im hard on mine.:awesomework:

 

[Twigs n Berries]

Eljay Oil company

I have had help researching this from a grease and oil specialist, here in Spokane Wa

He encouraged me to write a article, I did, posted my information on IH8mush

Found absoulutly no technical information that was correct on the subject. Began looking into it further and found the reason for no accurate technical info on Ih8mush was because it was a huge factory filled with BS

 

[Eric]

I have had help researching this from a grease and oil specialist, here in Spokane Wa

Who and what is their background? Untill you actually show something that backs up your claims besides what you think it looks like then I am going to stick with what the Toyota specialists tell me to do.

 

[Rix]

the 97 l/c r.m. calls for

BEARING GREASE, NLGI NO.2

the 90 l/c r.m. calls for

PACK MOLYBDENUM DISULPHIDE LITHIUM BASE −
GREASE
Pack Molybdenum disulphide lithium base grease into
the knuckle to about three fourths of the knuckle.

Again, WHY IS THE FACTORY LIEING?

 

[Damnyankee]

the 97 l/c r.m. calls for

the 90 l/c r.m. calls for

Again, WHY IS THE FACTORY LIEING?

Ok, i'm not dedending this guy cause i don't believe he is 100% correct.

However,
OEM companies will do this in order to sell parts.
i work for an OEM company and.. "back in the day"
we used oil in one of our consumable assemblies. we KNEW that running grease would extend bearing life but then we don't sell as many replacement bearings.

These days we run only synthetic grease, cause everybody has discovered what we knew.

 

[Rix]

There is no toyota part.
it is a general description of the grease type.

Not like type f atf, honda p.s. fluid, etc.

This mushroom factory looks more like an open field.

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Ok, i'm not dedending this guy cause i don't believe he is 100% correct.

However,
OEM companies will do this in order to sell parts.
i work for an OEM company and.. "back in the day"
we used oil in one of our consumable assemblies. we KNEW that running grease would extend bearing life but then we don't sell as many replacement bearings.

These days we run only synthetic grease, cause everybody has discovered what we knew.

I'm sure that happens in the industry but on this topic it is laughable at best. When was the last time you even heard of getting a birfield replaced because it was actually worn out? Never...

 

[zukkev]

The Proof is in the pudding as the Jeep guys call it,

The Proof is in the Birfield soup as Toyota guys call it

And the Proof of the intentional, mis leading information is linked to on post 25 on the Mushroom Factory Thread,

These are facts that I have uncovered,
This is supposed to be hard core tech, get a sample of Birfield soup and prove me wrong.
I have done my homework and analized samples.

Tranny.....If you are not going to post the ACTUAL proof, instead of a bunch of forum threads who call you out as well...this thread will die like the rest of the USELESS threads you have posted up....You have until this evening, or until someone with more authority then myself has had enough, ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH/PROOF!!!!!....:corn:

 

[64FJ40]

Tranny.....If you are not going to post the ACTUAL proof, instead of a bunch of forum threads who call you out as well...this thread will die like the rest of the USELESS threads you have posted up....You have until this evening, or until someone with more authority then myself has had enough, ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH/PROOF!!!!!....:corn:

Don't hold your breath. From MUD (where he has been banned AGAIN):

Did not have to send it any where it was Tested right here in my lab at the university of Hard knocks, in the backwoods of North Idaho

 

[Rix]

*sigh*

 

[Twigs n Berries]

Call Eljay

Call Eljay oil company and talk with Randy there, he has a degree from the NGLI,

Aside from that look at the engineering of what you have in the frt ends of these things

Look at the original engineering when is was on the drawing board for a weapon of war

Look at the engineering that went into is some 10 years later in Japan where they made improvements to contain a semi fluid lube, we have one Fellow posting up from the real world that knows the advantages of a semi fluid grease as a better form of lube

Read the steering knuckle lube thread on IH8mush,
I will list the items that they are incorrect about the design.

A baffle just behind the little axle seal, a last effort to contain the semi fluid
The knuckle is not vented to the atmosphere, as it warms up in there, slight pressure will build and the semi fluid could possible leak into the third member housing , This pressurized (depending on atmospheric pressure) is a ideal enviroment for the knuckle assembly for the birfield and all other components

The spindle bushing, the lube grove entry points one of them is wisely placed at the six o clock position to ensure lube flow even if the knuckle went down in fluid level that low fluid will flow thru here it is designed to do so

The fill plug location is much higher that the static level on domestic rigs, this is an improvement from the original design for two reasons, one the viscous lube will be flung up to the upper trunion bearing and also the entire wiper seal will be lubed wet forming a viscous seal (a seal of oil)

Another improvement Toyota made is the addition wheel bearings seal, some will call it a dust seal but Toyota lists it as a oil seal
But basically it is a dust seal, to protect the primary oil seal in the wheel hub

By design the seals are for oil, listed as such in the books

I will re-post the link to Utah Rock crawler where I took photos and documented these things, especially the lube thru the spindle I caught so much flak about that is was unreal but I measured It, took a picture of the baffle and most Damming of all call Randy and ask him For some "Moly based grease" it does not exisit!! only in the mushroom factory

The special service Toyota tool lists them as oil seals as well

All of these items are denied to exist or be possible at the mushroom factory

IH8mush

http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/showthread.php?t=76061

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Frank you still don't realize that no one is really saying that semi grease is bad... What is being said is that it has nothing to do with the real wheeling world AT ALL. We don't wear parts out we break them into pieces so whatever lube is in there won't make a difference.

 

[Rix]

Tranny just isn't getting it.
The baffle is for stopping oil slosh in the diff.
Less gear oil out by the diff means less CROSS CONTAMINATION OF THE "BIRFIELD CHAMBER" (knuckle)

The **** in the knuckle IS NOT supposed to be thin snot.
You'r supposed "factory thin snot in the knuckle" is NOT CORRECT.
It DID NOT come from the factory that way. it is NOT supposed to be soupy.
your backwards oil seal is some idiot putting it in wrong.

You are incorrect, stating nothing but crap, talking in circles, showing no factual proof, and quite frankly, your dogged determination to prove something you cannot prove, is dumb.

PERIOD! END OF STORY!

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Tranny just isn't getting it.

werd.

 

[wishicouldwheel]

So if we use the correct lube we will stop crushing trunion bearings under extreme usage with 40"+ tires and snapping birfs with doubled transfer cases and lockers?

this poor dude is talking bout driving land crusers down i90 at 70 mph into spokane on the ice in 4 high.....he dosent know bobby is our local hero.and we all put bobby to the test every weekend.....allways works when i need him to....im hard on mine.:awesomework:

Tranny Has yet to acknowledge any statements of this sort on any of the threads anywhere! Does he not get that he is met by such resistance by our Mushroom factory toyota forums because it just does not apply to us?!

Go peddle your **** here TRANNY http://www.landroverforums.com/forum/

 

[64FJ40]

http://www.rockymountainextreme.com/showthread.php?t=76061

Wow. If you posted like this on every forum, you wouldn't get banned. I still doubt you'd get many supporters, but at least people wouldn't think you're an idiot.

I am perfectly willing to concede that your grease might work fine for some applications. The problem is that what we already use works. You're talking about a big mess, hassle, and expen$e for axles that are only being driven part-time.

There is no way wheeling rigs are going to switch because they don't care about routine service intervals when they're rebuilding at least once a year anyway. Not to mention the mess and hassle of a trail repair.

I won't even consider it for my wife's LX because it's got almost 200K miles on a full-time driven front end WITH NO DISCERNIBLE WEAR to the hard parts despite neglectful maintenance. Until your goop can show that kind of longevity performance, I'll just stick with what I know works.

 

[zukkev]

Eric pretty much hit it...And you STILL provide none of your own scientific proof that yer ****'s the ****. No, I am not going to get in touch with that oil company---You want to sell your ****, then YOU get them to provide the 'proof'....
You keep going in circles...I'm about done, I'm getting dizzy....