Waggy D44 hub replacements or parts???? Help!

TacomaJD · Jul 28, 2011

I have my Tacoma at a friend's house letting him work on it for me and we have discovered the front driver's side hub is shot. There's alot of peices we took out with chipped or broken teeth and all the bearings are shot and come apart. The front end is a D44 out of a Wagoneer and I'm assuming the Warn manual locking hubs that came on it are factory? They look like the old style hubs. Anyway, what do you think is the best way about fixing this? Are there places to buy hub rebuild kits/parts or should I just buy 2 brand new manual hubs and replace both or just one side?

Also, this D44 is a driver's side drop and the inner axle seal on the driver's side has been leaking and he's gonna fix that too. Can you replace that seal without having to take the gearset out of the chunk or do you have to do that to get to it from the inside?

Thanks in advance for all your help....also note that I don't know just a whole lot about the internals of a manual locking hub.

doctordick · Jul 28, 2011

Seal goes in from the inside. make sure you get the carrier caps back on like they came off. It's easier with the pinion out, but you can probably sneak it. Go to 4X4 Rockshop.com and order up a nice set of new lockouts. I hear Miles is so whupped, he can't get out from in front of the screen :flipoff1:

blacksheep10 · Jul 28, 2011

yup and yup.
You can leave the pinion in but the gears are coming out. Long punch and its out. Before you even break the bolts loose on teh carrier caps take a punch and tap 1 hole at the top of 1 cap near the outside, and 2 marks on the other near the outside. Make corresponding marks in the cover surface or just inside of with a punch to keep the caps straight. You don't need to use a 4 lb hammer, just deep enough marks so they are still visible when you put it back together.

If you're broke, there are about 100,000 front ends like that laying junk in your state alone that you can rob them off of. If you were closer I'd give you a set for a case of beer if you pulled them.

zukiscott · Jul 28, 2011

WHERE DA HELL you been JD :dunno:

MSORP just ain,t been the same without you and youre cheerleaders man :****:

TacomaJD · Jul 28, 2011

Awesome info! I'm prolly gonna ride by Crossroad's 4wd supply (local offroad joint and junkyard) and see about buying just one full hub to start with (used of course) he has a ton of front ends laying around his shop.

The guy doing all the work for me is pretty swift on mechanical stuff and has been drag racing a V8 pro street S10 he built himself that runs mid 6's in 1/8 mile for years now so he knows about gear work and making sure everything is set up the way it should be. He just wasn't sure about how the seal came out.

I will check that website out for sure though! I heard some manufacturer came out with a set of seals for those front ends that acutally goes on the outer sides of axle housings that seals it off as an extra barrier too...not just like a dust cover, but an actual seal. That may be something I need to check into as well if there is a such thing.

TacomaJD · Jul 28, 2011

zukiscott said:
WHERE DA HELL you been JD

MSORP just ain,t been the same without you and youre cheerleaders man :****:

Man I miss the **** out of riding with all you crazy fuggers! My truck sat at my dad's shop for about 2 months waiting on him to tear it down for me and he's been too busy to work on it lately...so I loaded it up and carried it to my buddy's shop and got the ball rolling on gettin it fixed. I'll be back in the game before too long hopefully. Looks like it's all messed up in the hub. There's some sort of sleeve on the outter axle shaft that he couldn't get off and was in the process of grinding it into so he could pry it off when I was there earlier today. I wish I had've caught it sooner before it messed up so much crap in there.

TacomaJD · Jul 28, 2011

Look at this link and see if the hub pair at the very bottom is prolly the ones I need.

It's a Dana44 from a Waggy like I previously stated, but I'm thinking it's got a gm set up on the outters as far as spindles, hubs, and rotors go. So it would be the 19 spline hubs right? I do remember breaking both inner and outter shafts shortly after I bought the truck and bought some used ones at Crossroads 4wd Supply and I'm nearly 100% that the outter axle shafts were gm axles, so they would have to be 19 spline right?

http://www.4x4rockshop.com/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=350

pachary · Jul 28, 2011

Yep, the 20990 is what I run in my Waggy front under my LJ. Busted one at Hale Mtn last month, called warn, boxed the pair up and had new ones 2 weeks later.

Elliott · Jul 28, 2011

Warn golds and you won't have anymore problems.

pachary · Jul 28, 2011

Oh, you'll have problems. They will take care of them. Keep the other old one in the truck....

TacomaJD · Jul 28, 2011

Ok, great I thought it was the 20990.

I just talked to my buddy that has been working on it and to start with we thought the axle nut backed off and let everything get out of whack, but turns out it was still tight (maybe too tight) but the outter bearings dissintegrated and fubarred everything up. He said the spindle was scarred up pretty bad, but he thought it may end up being usable with a little cleaning up.

As far as the seals go, we plan to replace both inner seals while we have the front end apart.

...damn I hate when **** randomly tears up. I hope my gears and everything still look good, bc I've been running it with that inner seal leaking for quite a while now.

doctordick · Jul 28, 2011

Where are you? I got enough **** to fix you up fer way cheap. posting from beautiful, scenic downtown Dora, Al.

TacomaJD · Jul 28, 2011

No idea where Dora is, but I'm from Rainsville, AL. About 5 minutes away from Ft. Payne. I'm gonna need a full hub assembly, most likely a spindle, inner and outter bearings, and of course I'm just gonna buy new seals at the parts store. That 20990 Warn hub supposedly interchanges between most all chevy, ford, and dodge 1/2 and 3/4 ton trucks so I'm pretty sure finding one for cheap and a spindle also at Crossroads 4wd Supply won't be an issue...but you never know. My dad knows the guy that owns it very well and that guy knows his **** too, so he won't rip me too badly if he has what I need. Gonna drop by there tomorrow morning, so I will know then if he has the **** I need or not.

TacomaJD · Jul 28, 2011

Just googled Dora, you're about 2 hrs away from me.

ibrokeit · Jul 29, 2011

Elliott said:
Warn golds and you won't have anymore problems.

LOL.

I have proved that theory wrong many times with my tacoma with waggy axle on 37s

doctordick · Jul 29, 2011

Better to break lockouts than sxles. Warn makes a "hub Fuse" for their premium lockouts which is a part designed to break before the axle shafts or u-joints. Carry a couple of spares and you're back on the trail in five minutes for a few bucks instead of tearing a bunch of stuff up. FACT OF LIFE, you're gonna break **** if you wheel hard. Why not have the weak link be something cheap and quick to fix? :****:

ibrokeit · Jul 29, 2011

Never heard of a hub fuse. Gotta look into that.

TacomaJD · Aug 1, 2011

I've never heard of a hub fuse either, but sounds like a good idea.

Well I've just about got all my parts bought and it's almost back together. I know the guy that runs the local Napa store and I scored a pair of brand new 20990 Warn lockouts for $100....had to buy inner and outter bearings, all the seals, got lucky and was able to save the spindle, now I think I'm gonna have to have the actual hub cuz it's galled up pretty bad...but that should be the last part I have to buy. Got both of the inner axle shaft seals changed....and them fuggers were $20 a peice and that was at the cheapest place out of the 3 we checked with. Hopefully we'll have it up and going in the next couple days. After the front end is back completely assembled, the only thing left to figure out why my right rear brake caliper hasn't worked in about a year.

Thanks for all you guys' useful info!