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i havent personally ran waggys but back in the day everyone i new seemed to think waggys were the way. I wasnt impressed. and ill agree with pook stagger and clamps are key. Anyway you look at it if you want twist regardless of strength, is having multi thin leaf packs that are long. you might try a long thick main leaf with the rest thin, but dont quote me on that... just an idea I was thinking about at one time dont know how it would work, just some food for thought.