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Jim didn't even know that was there. after he saw it he didn't like it however he said he would talk to Elyse about it. i told him the switchback there sucked having to do so many point turn. he said that is the difficulty of the trail. i said that just plain sucks.. he is worried about the soil being washed away. in their eyes thats money lost for trees to grow there. but at the end of our discussion i think he was ok with us keeping it, maybe we can just hard pack it. i was riding with Aaron to go get the trail closed signs in Andys f-toy, open in the front locked in the rear on boggers and we were not making it up it.. Aaron was damn good not even to spin the tires out, so nothing was tore up. now we did go down it, that was much better then the S turns the little tree on the left coming down right gowing up didn't get in the way however it would be alot better if the little tree in the middle on were taken out...:awesomework: