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I think many people don't want this to be like Tahuya. If you like Tahuya rock piles go to Tahuya. I would like to see a shotcrete course, that would ensure that it lasts a long time and can be made very much the same as a compettion course. The difficulty of a manmade shotcrete course all depends on how you drive on it, drive on easy lines it gets very easy, drive hard lines and we all know what can happen. Maybe see if we have some people around that could help on designing such a course.