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Charlie, I think its great that you are planning ahead for this. This is a perfect opportunity to build "new" trails that suit the needs of the newer wider rigs. :awesomework:



Honestly most of the trails are fine for a wide AXLED rig. The huge issue is wide bodied rigs.

I can run my uber limo in 90% or so of the trails around here without any issues. The body of my truck is narrowed (thanks rimrock :haha: ) about 3" from stock width and I can drive around pretty much any tree that I come to. Try running a wider bodied rig through there and they will get destroyed. It's all about the body width as far as I'm concerned.
 
Honestly most of the trails are fine for a wide AXLED rig. The huge issue is wide bodied rigs.

I can run my uber limo in 90% or so of the trails around here without any issues. The body of my truck is narrowed (thanks rimrock :haha: ) about 3" from stock width and I can drive around pretty much any tree that I come to. Try running a wider bodied rig through there and they will get destroyed. It's all about the body width as far as I'm concerned.

I totally agree and that is what I said also. I think they see the bark off the trees and think it is the wide rigs that are doing it
 
I totally agree and that is what I said also. I think they see the bark off the trees and think it is the wide rigs that are doing it

It is. If the rig is narrow enough then they dont have to drive up and down the trees to fit in between them thus the missing bark :eeek:
 
That's the thing... What point is there in making a freeway in the woods???

My rig is wide... So what...

There's just as much damage to the trees from all types of rigs...


I don't have anything against narrow rigs, just narrow minded people...
 
Width restrictions are silly in any aspect of it. Trees get hit no matter how wide a trail is because you have folks out there that have no repect for the enviroment they are in.
 
You all need to take into consideration that DNR is not just bothered by the damage to tree bark, they are also bothered by exposed tree roots and the bark off the roots that we drive over.

Another thing I see here is all the talk about how use is making the trails easier. Well I don't see that in a lot of places, what I see is the trails getting harder because of people who will jam an obstacle over and over because it is beating them. They then dig out the dirt, shift rock, expose more roots and change the whole scope of the obstacle. I think the Poop Chute could be used as an example, look at how it has changed in the last 12 months, and I think there are other sports that have changed even more.

I am not in favor of any restrictions, but I sure would like to see people use a little more common sense and not tear spots up because they are so pig headed and refuse to use a winch. This is also I believe the cause of so many by-passes being created.
 
Width restrictions are silly in any aspect of it. Trees get hit no matter how wide a trail is because you have folks out there that have no repect for the enviroment they are in.
I agree so how do you solve this

Or is it something that . Is just the cost of having an ORV park and budget accordingly to pay for the trees that do die. Or harvest those trees and leave a 6' stump
 
I agree so how do you solve this

Or is it something that . Is just the cost of having an ORV park and budget accordingly to pay for the trees that do die. Or harvest those trees and leave a 6' stump

This argument pops up from time to time. I don't have the answers and neither does the DNR or state except they rattle the cages by bringing it up.

Trees get hit. Ted brought up a good point and IMo its a bigger issue--trees getting damaged to massive root destruction.
 
You all need to take into consideration that DNR is not just bothered by the damage to tree bark, they are also bothered by exposed tree roots and the bark off the roots that we drive over.

Another thing I see here is all the talk about how use is making the trails easier. Well I don't see that in a lot of places, what I see is the trails getting harder because of people who will jam an obstacle over and over because it is beating them. They then dig out the dirt, shift rock, expose more roots and change the whole scope of the obstacle. I think the Poop Chute could be used as an example, look at how it has changed in the last 12 months, and I think there are other sports that have changed even more.

I am not in favor of any restrictions, but I sure would like to see people use a little more common sense and not tear spots up because they are so pig headed and refuse to use a winch. This is also I believe the cause of so many by-passes being created.


Is it really a restriction ? I thought the current goal was designing new trails. Dont you have to have some kind of standards to build these new trails. As I aluded to in my previous post design and build the trail to fit the rigs that will be using it and many of these "issues" will be eliminated. I fully agree with the rest of your post here :awesomework:
 
I've seen plenty of narrow rigs tear bark off of trees...

Agreed, Lots of people cant drive and then theres times when a trail just makes you bounce off trees.

That's the thing... What point is there in making a freeway in the woods???

My rig is wide... So what...

There's just as much damage to the trees from all types of rigs...


I don't have anything against narrow rigs, just narrow minded people
...


Disagree, It dosent take a rocket scientist to understand that a wider rig will do more damage to a narrow trail than a narrow rig :eeek:

Then quit being narrow minded.
 
. Or harvest those trees and leave a 6' stump

This is what was done at elbe. It gets rid of the widow makers and keeps the trails boundries and provides solid winch anchors that are not prone to cable damage from irresponsible winchers.
 
This is what was done at elbe. It gets rid of the widow makers and keeps the trails boundries and provides solid winch anchors that are not prone to cable damage from irresponsible winchers.

It also keeps from the tree itself falling and uprooting. We have done this a number of times up at reiter (alders) to keep the tree from falling. Once it goes that obstacle is now gone plus you have the hazards like what brad mentioned.
 
they only thing about that is what about in ten-twenty years when those stumps rot? younger tree stumps dont last like old growth stumps do/did
 
Since we are talking about making a whole new ORV area, why can't the trails be made where there are more natural obstacles like rock and less trees? Think of the outlet mall, there are no trees and it is one of the best trails in the state. This would be good for everyone, sustainable soil (rock) and no trees getting killed because of bark being scrapped or roots being damaged. Reiter is different then the other DNR ORV areas because of the rock so lets take advantage of this and build the trail system accordingly. Again with a 20-30' wide trail corridor we can have challenging routes and easier lines so all vehicle and driver capabilities and widths can be accommodated.
 
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Since we are talking about making a whole new ORV area, why can't the trails be made where there are more natural obstacles like rock and less trees? Think of the outlet mall, there are no trees and it is one of the best trails in the state. This would be good for everyone, sustainable soil (rock) and no trees getting killed because of bark being scrapped or roots being damaged. Reiter is different then the other DNR ORV areas because of the rock so lets take advantage of this and build the trail system accordingly. Again with a 20-30' wide trail corridor we can have challenging routes and easier lines so all vehicle and driver capabilities and widths can be accommodated.

so what your trying to say is, make it so we cant pick on the fat guy anymore? :eeek: :fawkdancesmiley:
 
Since we are talking about making a whole new ORV area, why can't the trails be made where there are more natural obstacles like rock and less trees? Think of the outlet mall, there are no trees and it is one of the best trails in the state. This would be good for everyone, sustainable soil (rock) and no trees getting killed because of bark being scrapped or roots being damaged. Reiter is different then the other DNR ORV areas because of the rock so lets take advantage of this and build the trail system accordingly. Again with a 20-30' wide trail corridor we can have challenging routes and easier lines so all vehicle and driver capabilities and widths can be accommodated.

Your asking alot for the terain. How do you get any more natural than a tree :haha:
 
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