At what point--is it a buggy?

Pook · Jun 12, 2008

Well according to pirate4x4's experts :fawkdancesmiley: ftoys are considered to be buggies since they are built ground up to comp specs and typically use just a set of modified frame rails to meet those specs.

My rig doesn't have a single stock crossmember or a foot of frame rail that hasn't been modified to some extent. Not a single stock mount or stock part in the stock location. Might as well have been tube or new boxed tubing.

Some ftoys are definitely more truggy than buggy though...and anything with a stock firewall definitely is a truggy.

Mine is a buggy as far as I'm concerned.

Binder · Jun 12, 2008

TreeClimber said:
If you start with a frame, aftermarket or factory, then it's not a buggy.

If this is true then what I have is not a buggy. It was built starting by building a new square tube frame.....Few others fall into this category also.....The sausage.....

TreeClimber · Jun 12, 2008

Binder said:
If this is true then what I have is not a buggy. It was built starting by building a new square tube frame.....Few others fall into this category also.....The sausage.....

By your own words, you started with tube. Tube is tube. Don't really care if it's round, square, or triangular.

JOOP · Jun 12, 2008

TreeClimber said:
Once a Jeep. Always a Jeep.
Once a Toyota. Always a Toyota.
Especially if you use either the frame, or the firewall.
If you start with a frame, aftermarket or factory, then it's not a buggy.

A buggy is the vitual equivalent of a unibody car. Only, instead of the body providing structural strength, the 'body' is the tubes. Ergo, it's a uni-tube creation. No frame. No body. Build completely and entirely of tubes. The motor, axles, suspension, seats, and 'body panels' are all secured to the uni-tube.

OK what do we call over built rigs that the only thing making them a Jeep or Yota is a frame? Like the wled on tube kits you can buy for yotas or jeeps. basically gut the rig then weld the tube kit on the frame and skin. What do you call those? Linked ofcourse and coil-overs. Is it still a jeep/yota??

WHITE TRASH1 · Jun 12, 2008

I think it all comes down to the floor and firewall. If its all fabbed other than hood and grille I consider it a buggy. If you still run factory floor and firewall Its a truggy. My $.02.....

Binder · Jun 13, 2008

TreeClimber said:
By your own words, you started with tube. Tube is tube. Don't really care if it's round, square, or triangular.

So a stock rig made with a square tube frame is a buggy?

TreeClimber · Jun 13, 2008

TreeClimber said:
Once a Jeep. Always a Jeep.
Once a Toyota. Always a Toyota.
Especially if you use either the frame, or the firewall.
If you start with a frame, aftermarket or factory, then it's not a buggy.

A buggy is the vitual equivalent of a unibody car. Only, instead of the body providing structural strength, the 'body' is the tubes. Ergo, it's a uni-tube creation. No frame. No body. Build completely and entirely of tubes. The motor, axles, suspension, seats, and 'body panels' are all secured to the uni-tube.

Binder said:
So a stock rig made with a square tube frame is a buggy?

Arguementative little **** tonight, aren't ya?

You don't like my opinion, feel free to form your own. This one's mine.

And NO, a 'stock rig' isn't a buggy, as stock rigs aren't manufactured with tube. They're either body on frame, or uni-body (with some oddball exceptions) IF it's got an OEM frame, or an aftermarket replacement to an OEM frame, it's my humble opinion, it's a truck, jeep or whatever. If you decide to remove the body of a 'body on frame' rig and build a tube body on top of the existing frame, it's still the original truck, only with a tube'd body on it.

If the entire frame is comprised of tubing (square, round, oval, triangular, hexagonal, don't care) AND the suspension, engine, seats, fuel tank, body panels, etc mount to the tubing structure, then it's a buggy.

Not Jobless · Jun 13, 2008

I love how all the folks that don't have "buggies" seem to be the ones that think they know what they are :haha: :haha:

Binder · Jun 13, 2008

TreeClimber said:
If the entire frame is comprised of tubing (square, round, oval, triangular, hexagonal, don't care) AND the suspension, engine, seats, fuel tank, body panels, etc mount to the tubing structure, then it's a buggy.

This describes a stock scout.........
What's the difference if the square tube frame is put together by a factory or a fab shop?

Money Mark · Jun 13, 2008

You're wrong Treeclimber....dead wrong.:kissmyass: Tube, firewalls, etc. are irrelevant in this matter.

A buggy is when the driver can do cool **** with it. A truggy is when you wish you could do cool **** with it. A 'stocker' is when you can't do **** with it.

:corn:

WHITE TRASH1 · Jun 13, 2008

Jobless said:
I love how all the folks that don't have "buggies" seem to be the ones that think they know what they are :haha: :haha:

Says the guy with a modified YJ... :flipoff:

jeepmauler · Jun 13, 2008

Jobless said:
I love how all the folks that don't have "buggies" seem to be the ones that think they know what they are :haha: :haha:

.........and I call mine a car....so I'm really confused:looser:

darius · Jun 13, 2008

ToyBug said:
You're wrong Treeclimber....dead wrong.:kissmyass: Tube, firewalls, etc. are irrelevant in this matter.

A buggy is when the driver can do cool **** with it. A truggy is when you wish you could do cool **** with it. A 'stocker' is when you can't do **** with it.

:corn:

very much truth in this:corn:

Binder · Jun 13, 2008

ToyBug said:
A buggy is when the driver can do cool **** with it. A truggy is when you wish you could do cool **** with it. A 'stocker' is when you can't do **** with it.

:corn:

I like this definition....Guess I got a stocker.:haha:

Not Jobless · Jun 13, 2008

jeepmauler said:
...so I'm really confused:looser:

That's OK...just keep taking your meds.

Not Jobless · Jun 13, 2008

WHITE TRASH said:
Says the guy with a modified YJ... :flipoff:

It's a custom built S&N buggy

WHITE TRASH1 · Jun 13, 2008

Jobless said:
It's a custom built S&N buggy

So your not wheeling the grey yj anymore? Sue me for not keeping track of what you wheel. :haha:

Digger 5 · Jun 13, 2008

TreeClimber said:
Arguementative little **** tonight, aren't ya?

You don't like my opinion, feel free to form your own. This one's mine.

And NO, a 'stock rig' isn't a buggy, as stock rigs aren't manufactured with tube. They're either body on frame, or uni-body (with some oddball exceptions) IF it's got an OEM frame, or an aftermarket replacement to an OEM frame, it's my humble opinion, it's a truck, jeep or whatever. If you decide to remove the body of a 'body on frame' rig and build a tube body on top of the existing frame, it's still the original truck, only with a tube'd body on it.

If the entire frame is comprised of tubing (square, round, oval, triangular, hexagonal, don't care) AND the suspension, engine, seats, fuel tank, body panels, etc mount to the tubing structure, then it's a buggy.

My frame may have been built by a shop but it is all custom. By your definition my Jeep is a buggy.

Trailtoy1993 · Jun 13, 2008

ToyBug said:
You're wrong Treeclimber....dead wrong.:kissmyass: Tube, firewalls, etc. are irrelevant in this matter.

A buggy can do cool ****. A truggy could do cool ****. A 'stocker' is what a buggy driver has forgotten how to drive over **** in.

:corn:

There. Fixed it for you:redneck: :haha: :haha: :haha: :corn:

cornfed · Jun 13, 2008

ToyBug said:
A buggy is when the driver can do cool **** with it. A truggy is when you wish you could do cool **** with it. A 'stocker' is when you can't do **** with it.

:corn:

Damn. Mine doesn't fit within any of thoes definitions. Matter of fact, I think is says on the title Pile-O-****.:booo: