coilovers???

[Nuts]

Do they act stupid like air shocks without a sway bar, or an you fine tune them with the spring rates to kill all body roll? ???

 

[JRowe]

they are much better than airshocks :****:

 

[Elliott]

Air shocks can be stiffened with Valving and oil but yes coilovers will fix ya

 

[Nuts]

They aren't to fix the body roll I have, since I don't have a buggy right now . I'm building a new pile of **** and didn't want to mess with all the air shock/sway bar BS like i did on the last one.

 

[greenlion]

Look at the ORI struts.

 

[Nuts]

Look at the ORI struts.

Don't have the wallet for those! :afro:

 

[wizzo]

for a trail rig, with good suspension geometry, coil-over with proper spring set up, you don't have to run a sway bar

 

[Elliott]

If your starting from scratch then coil overs no doubt, spend it once and don't look back

 

[TacomaJD]

Do they act stupid like air shocks without a sway bar, or an you fine tune them with the spring rates to kill all body roll? ???

Thanks for starting this thread, I was about to do the same damn thing. My new rig has 16" air shocks in the rear and I been researching the coilover deal as a solution to the insane body roll. It rolls all the way over to where the inner fender and corner of exo cage rubs the front tire if turning sharp on flat ground. Rides like a Cadillac on the trails, but it's kinda aggravating sometimes when turning sharp. I haven't looked into an anti-rock bar yet to weigh the pros and cons of it vs. just trying to find some cheap used 16" coilovers.

 

[billstoy]

coil overs are more tunable , I have 16" s! I suggest 14's for more spring options. I too am toyota and so light in the rear with the lightest springs not light enough , I may run a rock bar for less body roll! looking at them now. lots of flex ! I'm running F O A shocks They seem to be ok for the price, run limit straps , I pulled off a lower end this weekend! Good luck!

 

[TacomaJD]

I was suprised about the springs not being an easily available option when looking for coilovers. It's like you finally find coilovers for your application, then you realize there's not even an option to "add coil springs" to your order (well most websites I've looked at anyways)......so now you have to figure where to buy coil springs and to what spec you need them. Big damn headache if you ask me.

That's the only thing that's got me considering an anti-rock bar. I like simplicity. :****:

 

[Fire Freak]

Yall look at Down South for your coil overs i gave them what rig i was running with motor size and they tuned my shocks for me told me what coil to buy and had most everything in stock

 

[Nuts]

coil overs are more tunable , I have 16" s! I suggest 14's for more spring options. I too am toyota and so light in the rear with the lightest springs not light enough , I may run a rock bar for less body roll! looking at them now. lots of flex ! I'm running F O A shocks They seem to be ok for the price, run limit straps , I pulled off a lower end this weekend! Good luck!

I was thinkin about 14s.Set them for 7" up and 7" down, or mount 16s lower on the inside of the axle to get 7" up and 9" down?????

 

[snoball]

ORI's are not much more than coil overs and on a light rig they are awesome. You can tune the spring rate, rebound, and eliminate body roll with some simple adjustments. To dial in a Coilovers so you get their full potential you need to really know what your doing and it's a pita. And this is coming from someone who has no idea what they are doing ;D

 

[TacomaJD]

Anti - rock bar = $500ish and Coilovers = even more than that and a big pain in the ass......guess I'll keep my body roll for awhile longer unless I run across some sweet coilovers used on tha cheap

 

[Nuts]

ORI's are not much more than coil overs and on a light rig they are awesome. You can tune the spring rate, rebound, and eliminate body roll with some simple adjustments. To dial in a Coilovers so you get their full potential you need to really know what your doing and it's a pita. And this is coming from someone who has no idea what they are doing ;D

There's used coilovers for sale everywhere for 1000 bucks for 4, give or take a hundred. Haven't seen ORIs near that.

 

[Sawzall]

My Samurai was very stable with air shocks and no sway bar. They had single bleed pistons, stiffer valving and extra oil. It rode firm but not rough.

 

[deranged57]

I think that suspension and link design plays a much larger role in whether a rig will experience body than what the shock style does. I have C/O's on my truggy, it flexes well, and the ride is very comfortable. I experience little body roll at all and have not once felt the need for a sway bar. A friend has a buggy with C/O's and sway bars, but still experiences a lot of body roll.

The items you might look into before spending any money would be where your COG actually is - do you have tools or other items on or in your rig that are higher than the top of the engine block (theoretical COG for most vehicles) that could be moved lower? The more weight above that imaginary line, the more body roll you'll experience. Also, consider your suspension links themselves. If your roll axis is out of whack, changing to a C/O from an air shock won't help one bit. (Unless you spring the C/O so stiff that nothing ever moves.) Consider this - does changing shock type alter your sprung weight by a significant amount? (no) So why would the C/O do a better job of controlling body roll than and air shock if they were both setup for the same weight?

Coil over shocks are typically used for either heavier vehicles where an air shock can't handle the weight, high speed vehicles - the spring handles the weight and the valving will control the frequency of the spring, or last but not least the BLING factor. For low to moderate speed wheeling on a lighter vehicle an air shock is all you should ever need.

Here is a good article I found when researching before starting my suspension on my truggy - http://www.off-roadweb.com/tech/0908or_multi_link_suspension_system_technology/photo_09.html

 

[snoball]

With coil overs you can change how progressive your spring rate is through the range of travel by the type of springs (progressive or linear) or different spring rates on the upper and lower springs. You can also adjust at what point the first or second spring start to work. With air shocks your stuck with a very progressive spring rate, as the more the shock compresses the spring rate increases at a very high rate. There is no way to adjust this. No way an air shock can work as well on any rig than a well tuned Coilover. I also agree most of it does depend on suspension design and both shocks CAN work well if your suspension is deigned rite.

 

[Nuts]

Thanks for the info! I'm picking up a new set of C.O.s tonight, and already planned on lots of math when I set up the links so hopefully it'll all work out