Any one have any input on some things to do in the future?. The last couple days their has been talk about the rocks on the Rainer Vista trail. I beleave that Nancy had said that the Cascade 4x4 club. Have control or the Easy Wild as ive herd it called. The trail has some big hills with legal bypasses on it. What about setting up a obstacle on that trail. Rocks or hump N bump.??? Not a lot of people seam to use that trail.
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Damnyankee
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we could make that trail into something pretty nasty.. and we should,
Its not a hard trail at all.
However, last year i saw a jeep roll on it.
need something else besides the busy.:beer:
Its not a hard trail at all.
However, last year i saw a jeep roll on it.
need something else besides the busy.:beer:
Ty.
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My buddy broke his output shaft half way up that hill, and had no brakes.. Fortunately he just smacked a tree near the bottom, and got a little whiplash.
He got rolling backwards pretty fast.
He got rolling backwards pretty fast.
The "easy wild" was part of the busy wild and was renamed a few years back. The reason was partyl because the busy wild was a one way only, hard core trail that we rated for 35" and larger tires with dual lockers and winch as the recommended equipment. The easy section of that obviously didn't match up so we renamed it, the easy wild. This was rated as a moderately difficult trail for 33-35" tires, a single locker and recovery equiment recommended, and travel is allowed on that trail in both directions.
A trail mix was setup about 3 years ago where a number of trails were to be easy, moderate, difficult and extreme; so that a variety of users had access to and could enjoy the trails.
If Cascade 4x4 has adopted the Easy Wild then changes need to go through them. However, they will need to keep the difficulty level of the trail consistent with the trail rating. The Easy Wild has a lot of diversity and there are opportunities on that trail to create some fun obstacles because natural bypasses exist.
Our club had to opportunity to formally mark the trail corridor on that trail. We were able to include as many of the optional lines as possible within the trail corridor and we made legal bypasses for ATVs around some of the more difficult sections. We also were able to include the exit road as part of the trail system, in the middle of the "easy".
I think that if some people want to get together with Cascade 4x4 and talk about it, that this trail does have opportunities for some more interesting challenges suitable for the vehicles that meet the trail recommendations. These would need to be challenges that a 33-35" tire'd vehicle with a single TAD and winch could attempt. Doesn't mean that they have to be able make it, but it wouldn't be an obstacle geared towards the big rigs. You could spend a few hours with a mini on the one hill climb that has about 6 lines to it, and make it a ton of fun for these rigs. Some strategically places logs and holes could make that a winch fest in the winter for those who want to choose those lines.
A trail mix was setup about 3 years ago where a number of trails were to be easy, moderate, difficult and extreme; so that a variety of users had access to and could enjoy the trails.
If Cascade 4x4 has adopted the Easy Wild then changes need to go through them. However, they will need to keep the difficulty level of the trail consistent with the trail rating. The Easy Wild has a lot of diversity and there are opportunities on that trail to create some fun obstacles because natural bypasses exist.
Our club had to opportunity to formally mark the trail corridor on that trail. We were able to include as many of the optional lines as possible within the trail corridor and we made legal bypasses for ATVs around some of the more difficult sections. We also were able to include the exit road as part of the trail system, in the middle of the "easy".
I think that if some people want to get together with Cascade 4x4 and talk about it, that this trail does have opportunities for some more interesting challenges suitable for the vehicles that meet the trail recommendations. These would need to be challenges that a 33-35" tire'd vehicle with a single TAD and winch could attempt. Doesn't mean that they have to be able make it, but it wouldn't be an obstacle geared towards the big rigs. You could spend a few hours with a mini on the one hill climb that has about 6 lines to it, and make it a ton of fun for these rigs. Some strategically places logs and holes could make that a winch fest in the winter for those who want to choose those lines.
CHOP SHOP
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The easywild lives up to its mane, EASY.
The hills are so easy I can stop in the middle at any point on my 2WD 400ex honda quad and start easily with out spinning.
In my truck I leave the front end open and drive up all the logs and stumps on the way up and it still doesnt make any challenge.
Last time we went we followed a stock tj down the whole trail, not a tj with a locker, 35s and a winch, A STOCK TJ, and a stock 84 bronco also.
Times for some obstacles. :beer:
:awesomework: Good responce Dale :awesomework:
motoman432
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i personally think something needs to be done with the roads up there. they suck 
uke:. i know there would be a good ammount of time spent to do this but it in my eyes needs to be done.
uke:. i know there would be a good ammount of time spent to do this but it in my eyes needs to be done.
CHOP SHOP
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i personally think something needs to be done with the roads up there. they suck
road maintenance follows timber sales.
The only time I ever see the road fixed is when a section of forest dissapears the next week.
motoman432
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thats true but it really wouldn't cost that much to redo the road to atleast the camp ground. there is only about 2 days worth of work there with a dozer and a roller and when you can do it with just paying for the equipment and not a operator its not on the expensive side. i know everyone with motorhomes,trailers,etc would love if it did happen
super samurai
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i like elbe and would love to see something diff. there! my take is get those rocks at the bottom of raineir vista out of there! there is a big bank on the outer side that really deturs people from going on them, so only part of them are useful. some work on the easy wild would be good, as there is easy access to the trail. and the rocks at the pit up top, put those down in the pit. because people like to camp at the opening and block the rocks with their motor homes and trailers! thanks:hi:
Damnyankee
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If i understand correctly those boulders are to be placed on the trail. Thats as close to the trail as a truck could dump them.
Money Mark
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Slow down......
Before everybody gets all gung-ho! about moving rocks, digging holes, etc for your new trail.........you must to get all gung-ho! about doing this:
Taking the mental steps in building a new trail and then being told it's not what you thought it was going to be, is where the self-provoked butthurt stems from.:;
Do your homework 1st, then dream what could be.:beer:
Before everybody gets all gung-ho! about moving rocks, digging holes, etc for your new trail.........you must to get all gung-ho! about doing this:
Taking the mental steps in building a new trail and then being told it's not what you thought it was going to be, is where the self-provoked butthurt stems from.:;
Do your homework 1st, then dream what could be.:beer:
CHOP SHOP
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rocks and holes are on the Rainier vista. Permission was given to toughen it up with burried boulders placed on the hill.
The easywild is a seperate and often overlooked trail that is in a different area.
You need to talk with "your elbe guy" a little more holms.
Money Mark
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Then continue on my freinds......
Damnyankee
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when did you get all proper? think then do?
thats not how we do thigns round here...lol
Good to see you taking an interest (or whatever it is) in the "south end":beer:
Money Mark
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You'll see me (and the Buggy Skidder:redneck
at an Elbe Hills work/build party in the near future.:awesomework:k2blazen
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Dont we still have a few mi of trails available to build 8 mi know 13 max?
also a carport type work space poll building cheaply built with a cement slab would do awsome....
also a carport type work space poll building cheaply built with a cement slab would do awsome....
Damnyankee
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hmmm... now that you mention it, i do remember somthing about this.
The Rocks at the bottom of the Rainier Vista are only there temporarily. They are already dedicated for the trail.
Over the years the logging operations have turned some of the 4x4 trails into roads, so there are 13 miles of "trails" by the DNR standards, but not by user standards. Some of the side roads are part of the trail system but they need to be turned back into something challenging and worth driving over. The bad part is they can be turned back into logging roads if there is a timber sale because the area is a tree farm.
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