Evans creek CLOSURE

Ty. · Dec 11, 2009

Patrick Moore PHD. in ecology, and one of the founders of Greenpeace.

"Forests are resilient. They can grow back from total volcanic destruction, ice ages, fires, storms, whatever. You can take heavy equipment and bulldoze the soil right down to bedrock over a huge area, and if you go away and come back 100 years later you will have a new forest starting to grow back."

The real greenies understand its all a joke. They don't care. Its about control.

Binder · Dec 11, 2009

Ty. said:
Patrick Moore PHD. in ecology, and one of the founders of Greenpeace.

"Forests are resilient. They can grow back from total volcanic destruction, ice ages, fires, storms, whatever. You can take heavy equipment and bulldoze the soil right down to bedrock over a huge area, and if you go away and come back 100 years later you will have a new forest starting to grow back."

The real greenies understand its all a joke. They don't care. Its about control.

:awesomework::awesomework::awesomework:
:awesomework::awesomework:

CHOP SHOP · Dec 11, 2009

Wrongway said:
I dont recall ever saying same **** different bucket in this thread.

Thats what I heard.:;

Jaydog · Dec 11, 2009

Hasn't it always been closed to night wheeling as well, besides when the snow is deep enough, nobody will be able to get to where I'm at to write me a ticket :kissmyass:

Money Mark · Dec 11, 2009

Wrongway said:
I dont recall ever saying same **** different bucket in this thread.

The wonders of the interweb.....:haha:

Wrongway · Dec 11, 2009

OK now I am saying same **** different bucket!:fawkdancesmiley:

Money Mark · Dec 11, 2009

Wrongway said:
OK now I am saying same **** different bucket!:fawkdancesmiley:

Ok.

To answer/comment to your original comments/questions: I hate the "woulda, coulda, shoulda" crap. Leave that for spousal arguments.:haha:

Any closure, anywhere, for any reason, at any time will piss me (us, ORV users) off. Nothing any official entity or web wheeler will make me (us) feel all warm and fuzzy about it.:;

TreeClimber · Dec 11, 2009

The PNW4WDA.org website does NOT reflect any closures at Evans as of this posting.

Since the DNR and Forest Service seem to be in good communications with the PNW, it would seem logical to theorize that there are no scheduled closures at this time.

I'm sure curious as to exactly whom started this rumor, to verify the validity. If anyone has a posting from the DNR or Forest Service, please cut and paste it here.

Thanks,

J_SIN · Dec 11, 2009

TreeClimber said:
The PNW4WDA.org website does NOT reflect any closures at Evans as of this posting.

Since the DNR and Forest Service seem to be in good communications with the PNW, it would seem logical to theorize that there are no scheduled closures at this time.

I'm sure curious as to exactly whom started this rumor, to verify the validity. If anyone has a posting from the DNR or Forest Service, please cut and paste it here.

Thanks,

read post #12

Pook · Dec 11, 2009

Ty. said:
Right on, I think I'll be heading to Canada for my next trip. Looks like they've got some decent trails up there. eh?

You'll never find them :flipoff:

One of the nice things about unorganized chaos.

dirk · Dec 11, 2009

Wrongway said:
This just blows me away. you guys talked about this going to happen, and that there were public meetings to voice your opposition to the proposed changes, no one wrote a letter or went to the meetings, now WAAAAAAA!!!! the gestapo closed my trail! Well what did you expect? If you don't follow the political rules you will lose every time, the greenies learned this a long time ago and banded together to make 1 strong voice, you guys are missing the boat by hoping someone else will write the letter, take a little responsibility and join the PNW or WHOVOHA or some other large organization and get active, get your voice heard, don't just sit there and whine!

TreeClimber said:
The PNW4WDA.org website does NOT reflect any closures at Evans as of this posting.

Since the DNR and Forest Service seem to be in good communications with the PNW, it would seem logical to theorize that there are no scheduled closures at this time.

I'm sure curious as to exactly whom started this rumor, to verify the validity. If anyone has a posting from the DNR or Forest Service, please cut and paste it here.

Thanks,

Technically the closure is real...enforcement is another question? I just spoke to Ian Canaan (USFS-LEO) he will have a few comments for us shortly.

TreeClimber · Dec 11, 2009

J_SIN said:
read post #12

Bullsh!t.

I called the Enumclaw location of the U S Forest Service at 360-825-6585. Talked to a nice lady named Linda. At this time there are NO scheduled closures of Evans Creek ORV area.

Have a nice day

dirk · Dec 11, 2009

TreeClimber said:
Bullsh!t.

I called the Enumclaw Forest Service at 360-825-6585. Talked to a nice lady named Linda. At this time there are NO scheduled closures of Evans Creek ORV area.

Have a nice day

Start reading at post #5...

http://www.wow4x4.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=905

Look at page 43 for the road/trail closures & page 44 for the seasonal closure dates:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mbs/projects/evans-creek/evans_final_ea.pdf

Some of the trails could be closed for up to 9 months out of the year.

The million dollar question is what's the plan for enforcement?

TreeClimber · Dec 11, 2009

dirk said:
Start reading at post #5...

http://www.wow4x4.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=905

Look at page 43 for the road/trail closures & page 44 for the seasonal closure dates:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mbs/projects/evans-creek/evans_final_ea.pdf

Some of the trails could be closed for up to 9 months out of the year.

The million dollar question is what's the plan for enforcement?

from the F/S website

Table 10. Proposed Operating Season Dates
Extent/Concern
Duration
[FONT=Arial,Arial][FONT=Arial,Arial]January 1

grant1 · Dec 11, 2009

TreeClimber said:
The PNW4WDA.org website does NOT reflect any closures at Evans as of this posting.

Since the DNR and Forest Service seem to be in good communications with the PNW, it would seem logical to theorize that there are no scheduled closures at this time.

I'm sure curious as to exactly whom started this rumor, to verify the validity. If anyone has a posting from the DNR or Forest Service, please cut and paste it here.

Thanks,

It looks like it was me!

Evans Creek is "not being permanently closed" just the winter season..

I was responding to the 222 vs mud flaps thread, but should have started a new thread.

The issue of Evans Creek being " open" during the winter months has always been a grey area. Forest folks didn't complain, no one got hassled. Last year public input was asked for and very few responded. Part of the new plan made Evans Creek a " Winter Wild Life Refuse".
People have been wheeling there during winter months forever, so I was asked by my membership (WOW) to ask the question.
I did, and the response from Bob Pacific was that the trails will temporally closed for the season and will be that way in the future. Main forest roads will remain open to "street legal" vehicles. Dec15- March 31.

I asked if any signs or gates were going to be put in place and was told not as of now. That is why I felt the need to inform my fellow wheelers about this issue.

Will tickets be issued, the response was, not as of yet.

As far a the legal document, you can request it from the ranger station. This whole thing is was part of a process that has been going on for years, I just started being apart of in the last few years.

Not trying to drag anybody else into my mess, but I wasn't the only person Bob told this too.

So dont kill the messenger, I was just trying to let people know.
If anybody has any other info that will make me eat my words, please let me know.

I love being in the woods and try to be educated about where I'm going and the rules of that specific area. Doing that lately has been hard with all the changes going on. I thought others would like the information.
Once again please let me know if I'm off base.