Yea they suck, gonna be welded to cage so they will come off with it. I am going to tie the bottom into the factory door bar mount and add a small nerf bar/step. I am trying to make the lines of the rzr cage somewhat match the dirty girl buggy for style points but its all a bit flatter as the rzr is for race use so it will have skins and trying to keep the weight down as much as possible.