Hydro Assist / bump steer?

[Boonie Buster]

Ok, so those of you with hydro assist... Does it eliminate bump steer? I was thinking I want to do the redneck ram setup on the truck and was wondering if it'd stop the bump steer from the steering, or if i still need to attach a steering stabilizer?:corn:

and how much does the hydro assist help with steering? is it a great improvement over stock? Also, is there a cheaper way/simpler way to get hydro assist than the redneck kit? it's $499 for everything with a box rebuild....

 

[dove'd85]

Ok, so those of you with hydro assist... Does it eliminate bump steer? I was thinking I want to do the redneck ram setup on the truck and was wondering if it'd stop the bump steer from the steering, or if i still need to attach a steering stabilizer?:corn:

and how much does the hydro assist help with steering? is it a great improvement over stock? Also, is there a cheaper way/simpler way to get hydro assist than the redneck kit? it's $499 for everything with a box rebuild....

you can peice it together and tap the box your self for half that:awesomework:

and it is a huge improvement over the stock steering system especially if you get a TG pump imo the steering stabilizer will greatly reduce bumbsteer aswell

 

[Boonie Buster]

you can peice it together and tap the box your self for half that:awesomework:

and it is a huge improvement over the stock steering system especially if you get a TG pump imo the steering stabilizer will greatly reduce bumbsteer aswell

but the hydro assist alone, wont be enough to dampen the bump steer like a stabilizer would?

 

[Hip]

id think bump steer is a geometry problem and the steering stabalizer and redneck ram would just be a bandaid at best. when you hit that bump the same force will be applied to the same pieces as always.

i corrected my geometry by moving the steering box to improve the angle of my draglink and all the bump steer went away.

now locker steer is a whole nother issue:redneck:

although my rebuilt tapped box is still sitting on the shelf so i dont have any experience with hyd assist yet:fawkdancesmiley:

 

[Pat]

Hydro assist will act like a steering damper. Running hydro assist AND a steering stabilizer would be :rb:

Steering stabilizers are :rb: Just got done taking a big fancy Rancho dual steering stabilizer off a truck. Drove much better without it. Steering stabilizers will cover up or band aid or hide other handling problems.

To fix bumpsteer you prolly need a more level drag link, mabey hysteer or crossover? But yes hydro assist will help stabilize.

 

[Boonie Buster]

Hydro assist will act like a steering damper. Running hydro assist AND a steering stabilizer would be :rb:

Steering stabilizers are :rb: Just got done taking a big fancy Rancho dual steering stabilizer off a truck. Drove much better without it. Steering stabilizers will cover up or band aid or hide other handling problems.

To fix bumpsteer you prolly need a more level drag link, mabey hysteer or crossover? But yes hydro assist will help stabilize.

i'm not saying there is a LOT of bumpsteer, but i have high steer, i have crossover, and the geometry couldn't get much flatter.... now what?!?! lol:haha: But, i do know my steering box is a little loose, just takes a minor adjustment, but, i still wanna do hydro assist, i just wondered if it'd dampen the bump at all.

 

[CHOP SHOP]

i'm not saying there is a LOT of bumpsteer, but i have high steer, i have crossover, and the geometry couldn't get much flatter.... now what?!?! lol:haha: But, i do know my steering box is a little loose, just takes a minor adjustment, but, i still wanna do hydro assist, i just wondered if it'd dampen the bump at all.

do you understand what "BUMPSTEER" is? or are you confusing it with the "DEATH WOBBLE" commonly caused around 35MPH caused by mud tires.
even if your truck is real big, it should not have real bad bumpsteer issue.

a steering stabilizer will do NOTHING for bumpsteer, it wont even bandaid fix/cover it. it will help keep the wheels from changing direction/moving too quickly. it will help with death wobble, so will a ram assist. NEITHER will help with bumpsteer.

a ram assist will help your steering greatly, in overall power and act as a super stabilizer.

its only downfall is it will tend to steer a little slower. so if you drink heavily and fly down logging roads, then your not going to have the response your used to. but if you drive normal and whell trails, rocks, etc, youll love it.:awesomework:

 

[nevada]

i'm not saying there is a LOT of bumpsteer, but i have high steer, i have crossover, and the geometry couldn't get much flatter.... now what?!?! lol:haha: But, i do know my steering box is a little loose, just takes a minor adjustment, but, i still wanna do hydro assist, i just wondered if it'd dampen the bump at all.

the loose box will cause ALOT of problems. death wobble...especially. and NO, there is NO adjustment for that. dont even think about turning that screw.
think of that as setting the pinion depth on a gearset. once its set, its set.

do you understand what "BUMPSTEER" is? or are you confusing it with the "DEATH WOBBLE" commonly caused around 35MPH caused by mud tires.
even if your truck is real big, it should not have real bad bumpsteer issue.

a steering stabilizer will do NOTHING for bumpsteer, it wont even bandaid fix/cover it. it will help keep the wheels from changing direction/moving too quickly. it will help with death wobble, so will a ram assist. NEITHER will help with bumpsteer.

a ram assist will help your steering greatly, in overall power and act as a super stabilizer.

its only downfall is it will tend to steer a little slower. so if you drink heavily and fly down logging roads, then your not going to have the response your used to. but if you drive normal and whell trails, rocks, etc, youll love it.:awesomework:

i agree, sounds like hes probably talking about death wobble.

confused tho, with hydro ASSIST, why would it slow the steering down? arent you STILL using the box? so its still gonna turn as fast as you turn the wheel...isnt it?

ive been thinking about adding hydro asssit to my toy. steering a spooled frontend is a real bitch!

 

[Boonie Buster]

well, even with the big tires, i can drive it up to 60mph with no wobbles at ANY speeds. it's just when i hit bumps, the steering wheel moves a bit, and yes, with my old axle, before a steering stabilizer, it did the same over bumps, with almost the same geometry, when i put a steering stabilizer on it, cured "masked" the problem and was alot easier to handle on the road, it didnt feel as if it was going to bounce into oncoming traffic. So, a hydro assist, will act the same then? it'll "mask" my apparent bad geometry?

 

[Boonie Buster]

the loose box will cause ALOT of problems. death wobble...especially. and NO, there is NO adjustment for that. dont even think about turning that screw.
think of that as setting the pinion depth on a gearset. once its set, its set.


i agree, sounds like hes probably talking about death wobble.

confused tho, with hydro ASSIST, why would it slow the steering down? arent you STILL using the box? so its still gonna turn as fast as you turn the wheel...isnt it?

ive been thinking about adding hydro asssit to my toy. steering a spooled frontend is a real bitch!

i dont think it's death wobble though....

 

[CHOP SHOP]

confused tho, with hydro ASSIST, why would it slow the steering down? arent you STILL using the box? so its still gonna turn as fast as you turn the wheel...isnt it?

ive been thinking about adding hydro asssit to my toy. steering a spooled frontend is a real bitch!

the same pump were using to power the box only is now filling a ram and powering your steering box too. if you use a baddass pump you can avoid this for the most part.:awesomework:

when i put a steering stabilizer on it, cured "masked" the problem and was alot easier to handle on the road, it didnt feel as if it was going to bounce into oncoming traffic. So, a hydro assist, will act the same then? it'll "mask" my apparent bad geometry?

the same bad geometry was still happening it was just slowed down a bit by your stabilizer. a ram assist will do the same but better, with more control.

a ram also works to help turn the tires, not fight against turning the tires and trashing the steering box/frame in return.:beer:

 

[CHOP SHOP]

i dont think it's death wobble though....

in your post before this one I think you did a better job of describing what was happening, and I agree it doesnt sound like the death wobble.:awesomework:

 

[Boonie Buster]

the same pump were using to power the box only is now filling a ram and powering your steering box too. if you use a baddass pump you can avoid this for the most part.:awesomework:



the same bad geometry was still happening it was just slowed down a bit by your stabilizer. a ram assist will do the same but better, with more control.

a ram also works to help turn the tires, not fight against turning the tires and trashing the steering box/frame in return.:beer:

ok, that;s what i was wondeirng, i understand it sort of "relieve's" some steering stress (not on the TRE's) but the box and such.

 

[Hip]

sounds like locker steer. are you sure you are not letting off or getting on the gas when hitting bumps.

i have no bumpsteer on my jeep but taking my foot off the gas causes it to want to change lanes.....

 

[nevada]

well, even with the big tires, i can drive it up to 60mph with no wobbles at ANY speeds. it's just when i hit bumps, the steering wheel moves a bit, and yes, with my old axle, before a steering stabilizer, it did the same over bumps, with almost the same geometry, when i put a steering stabilizer on it, cured "masked" the problem and was alot easier to handle on the road, it didnt feel as if it was going to bounce into oncoming traffic. So, a hydro assist, will act the same then? it'll "mask" my apparent bad geometry?

has the pinion been rotated up, for better DL angles? if so the caster is way off. thats probably what you're feeling.

 

[NotMatt]

What is your drag link angle like?

 

[Boonie Buster]

sounds like locker steer. are you sure you are not letting off or getting on the gas when hitting bumps.

i have no bumpsteer on my jeep but taking my foot off the gas causes it to want to change lanes.....

:haha: the front isn't even locked in.... this is on the road guys...

sorry, i didnt mention that sooner:redneck:

-the caster should be very close....

- after looking at a picture of the drag link it is more of an angle than i thought, but it's not much different than the angle before.... and i cant change it otherwise things will hit when i flex....

 

[nevada]

yep, thats too much angle. theres your bumpsteer.
is that a stock pitman arm? you can bring it down closer inline with the tierod. if the tierod doesnt touch, neither will the draglink...

 

[Hip]

:haha: the front isn't even locked in.... this is on the road guys...

sorry, i didnt mention that sooner:redneck:

-the caster should be very close....

- after looking at a picture of the drag link it is more of an angle than i thought, but it's not much different than the angle before.... and i cant change it otherwise things will hit when i flex....

the locker in the rear causes lockersteer....

 

[Grommit327]

Yeah definite bumpsteer issue there. My tierod and draglink are almost parallel now and it pretty much fixed mine. I run hydro assist and when I had a higher draglink angle I still had a ton of bump steer over the bigger bumps/dips in the road.