I have a idea......

Binder · Apr 29, 2010

And I'd like to hear what others think of it....We all know that enforcement is going to be a big issue as areas of Reiter begin to open. At many sporting events they hire off duty police officers to keep order. Why could we not as a private group hire a cop to patrol a FS road and hand asses when needed? I don't know what this would cost but the more people who donate the less it would cost each of us. I talked to Robert Dengel DNRs recreation policy manager about this briefly yesterday and he wants to discuss it further. He did say that off the top of his head it could possibly go a couple different ways. We could do it privately without DNR involvement but the cops we hire may have issue because it's on DNRs property. Another possible route would be to "donate" the money to the DNR specifically for this purpose and we would have a agreement in place before hand for the DNR to hire the cop.
I'm going to E mail Robert and find out more but what do you guys think of the overall idea? Myself as a rule I'm not a big fan of a brigade of trail nazis but it could be a way to keep things under control for the time being......:corn:

crash2 · Apr 29, 2010

Well it would be possable here soon to do a grant for it....

But I like the idea just don't know how to easily pull it off.

CHOP SHOP · Apr 29, 2010

We should just pay the cop to hand ass on the low land (keeping the putz out), while we wheel problem free in the hills.

I bet you could pay off the cops cheaper than hiring them.:haha:

Binder · Apr 29, 2010

crash said:
....... just don't know how to easily pull it off.

There's still much to learn for sure.......
It's like I said to Robert yesterday, one cop in uniform will be far more effective than 200 forest watch volunteers just because the cop has authority.

crash2 · Apr 29, 2010

CHOP SHOP said:
We should just pay the cop to hand ass on the low land (keeping the putz out), while we wheel problem free in the hills.

I bet you could pay off the cops cheaper than hiring them.:haha:

If your not going to bring something intelligent to these important discussions then you need to stay out--Or I will assist you in that...

crash2 · Apr 29, 2010

Binder said:
There's still much to learn for sure.......
It's like I said to Robert yesterday, one cop in uniform will be far more effective than 200 forest watch volunteers just because the cop has authority.

Very true.

CHOP SHOP · Apr 29, 2010

Binder said:
one cop in uniform will be far more effective than 200 forest watch volunteers just because the cop has authority.

This is the truth for sure.

Eric · Apr 29, 2010

My worry would be that the Hired officer would be more inclined to had out mud flap tickets and other infractions then to actually catch the problem people.

Binder · Apr 29, 2010

Eric said:
My worry would be that the Hired officer would be more inclined to had out mud flap tickets and other infractions then to actually catch the problem people.

Good point that the officer could have his own agenda but remember this would be in areas where non street legal vehicles are OK.

nowires · Apr 29, 2010

Just hire a private security guard.
Do we actually need a cop or just a presents in the area with a cell phone and flashing yellow lights
Sub it with anyone that has a business license that wants to make a few extra bucks

64FJ40 · Apr 29, 2010

Not trying to be negative, just initial thoughts...

Problems I'm envisioning to overcome:
- If DNR pays for it, the officer is no longer "off-duty", which means he would be getting paid overtime pay plus incidentals, so at least double his normal hourly pay rate. Not to mention the parasitic loss of a certain percentage of whatever money gets "donated" to the cause by the time it gets into the officers paycheck. I just can't see this option being efficient at all.

- Even if a private group hires an off-duty officer, DNR/FS may require him to be a DNR or FS officer and they're in limited supply compared to city/county/WSP cops.

- Due to the circumstances, I suspect most officers would not want to do this job alone with no support in the immediate vicinity. May have to have 2 on duty at all times.

Jay Luke · Apr 29, 2010

I got this one guys. I will be there as much as possible patrolling. Day and Night. So don't worry bout a thing. Rest assure the road will be safe.

I do have one question that is just killing my curiosity...How THE **** does it cost 20k or any $ at all to open a road that already exists. Seriously... What in gods name is that all about. And please don't tell me it needs to be re worked or graded or paved with signs. Because it doesn't. And if it did, it should be the lumber company's responsibility to do so. Since they are the ones using it everyday for the clear cutting that is or was going on!

The_Shocker · Apr 29, 2010

Binder said:
Good point that the officer could have his own agenda but remember this would be in areas where non street legal vehicles are OK.

Provided these vehicles that don't pass muster have ORV tags. If you have a street plated rig that doesn't pass the requirements for street use, just because you take it off highway doesn't make it exempt from having either ORV tabs or the required street equipment does it?

Eric · Apr 29, 2010

The_Shocker said:
Provided these vehicles that don't pass muster have ORV tags. If you have a street plated rig that doesn't pass the requirements for street use, just because you take it off highway doesn't make it exempt from having either ORV tabs or the required street equipment does it?

I can find things on your FJ cruiser that are not street legal.

I have removable mud flaps for a reason. They get torn off way to easily on the trail. But when I am on the street I am as close to legal as I can be.

Binder · Apr 29, 2010

The_Shocker said:
just because you take it off highway doesn't make it exempt from having either ORV tabs or the required street equipment does it?

Yes it does. If you buy plates you pay the tax so Governor **** bitch can take the money. The state gets their money and that's all they want.

nowires · Apr 29, 2010

Jay Luke said:
I got this one guys. I will be there as much as possible patrolling. Day and Night. So don't worry bout a thing. Rest assure the road will be safe.

I do have one question that is just killing my curiosity...How THE **** does it cost 20k or any $ at all to open a road that already exists. Seriously... What in gods name is that all about. And please don't tell me it needs to be re worked or graded or paved with signs. Because it doesn't. And if it did, it should be the lumber company's responsibility to do so. Since they are the ones using it everyday for the clear cutting that is or was going on!

What they didn't tell you is they are going to haul in Eco blocks and close off allll of the trails, Sign the aquafer recharge area

Like any other goverment project. It cost 5 g to do the work and 15g to plan for it

The_Shocker · Apr 29, 2010

Eric said:
I can find things on your FJ cruiser that are not street legal.

I have removable mud flaps for a reason. They get torn off way to easily on the trail. But when I am on the street I am as close to legal as I can be.

I didn't say I was above the law. I just know that there ARE rigs that have been used in the past at Reiter that are missing so much equipment for road use it would be impossible to say "I just removed that for trail use". How many people have hybrid rigs that are using titles from some wrecked rig so they didn't have to get them inspected by the State Patrol?

If they stop me to check for equipment on my FJ so be it. If they stop me to check for spark arrester and ORV tabs on my Dirtbike or Side X Side I'm fine as well. :awesomework:

Jay Luke · Apr 29, 2010

So frustrating. I have said this before. It seems to me the DNR wants us to fail. Tempting everyone with the possibilities. This is happening exactly like I said it would. Open a lil bit. To get it shut down permanently. The dollars wasted through govt planning of anything

I still hate the DNR and feel that they are NOT our friends nor on our side....Hope I am wrong

crash2 · Apr 29, 2010

Jay Luke said:
So frustrating. I have said this before. It seems to me the DNR wants us to fail. Tempting everyone with the possibilities. This is happening exactly like I said it would. Open a lil bit. To get it shut down permanently. The dollars wasted through govt planning of anything I still hate the DNR and feel that they are NOT our friends nor on our side....Hope I am wrong

This si why we need organizations like RTW, PNW and so on to police there actions. You have to remember there thought process is different than ours....

Eric · Apr 29, 2010

Jay Luke said:
So frustrating. I have said this before. It seems to me the DNR wants us to fail. Tempting everyone with the possibilities. This is happening exactly like I said it would. Open a lil bit. To get it shut down permanently. The dollars wasted through govt planning of anything I still hate the DNR and feel that they are NOT our friends nor on our side....Hope I am wrong

Regardless of if they are our friends, we still have to work with them and they still hold all the cards. It is up to us to get them to release those cards.

Basicaly anything illegal is bad at this point, it costs money and time and its a big black mark. PLEASE READ MORE OF THE TREADS AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE POSTING!!!!!

Negative is not helping.