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- Thread starter Dain Bramage
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The mindset is the DNR is legally first and foremost a entity that exists to make money for state trust funds.
Losing every penny of recreational funding just means no recreational access.
The cheapest land manager is a gate and many old school DNR guys would be totally OK without public access.
As one told me, public land is easier to manage without the public.
That is what we are working with.
TreeClimber
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edit; the below quotes and conversations are MY opinion only, and only mine.
That frustration is often vocalized by anyone (and sometimes everyone) whom fights the fight on our behalf. Don't take it personal. (Jim had that same tone, often) It's just a reflection of the frustration felt, by going to the State and Feds and seeing their collective 'don't give a damn' towards ORV and Off Road recreation.
And Tod, whom are you? I'm sure we've met. I'm pretty sure we've talked. I've been to lots of Region 2 meetings.
Tony Fox. Eldorado Dust Devils. PNW4WDA, WOHVA member.
Unfortunately, this is true.
The quotes you're upset about are not unique to Tod.
That frustration is often vocalized by anyone (and sometimes everyone) whom fights the fight on our behalf. Don't take it personal. (Jim had that same tone, often) It's just a reflection of the frustration felt, by going to the State and Feds and seeing their collective 'don't give a damn' towards ORV and Off Road recreation.
I've wheeled far more of the United States than most here, and agree that there is a lot of other quality locations. But I still think Rimrock is world class. But, I get your point. Also, my phrase about negativity was directed to Tod.
Timber companies, and to a good extent also the Gov, would prefer us to NOT build or maintain access roads. I've seen Big Timber use a dozer and excavator to build a road. What would take us years to accomplish takes them a few hours.
And Tod, whom are you? I'm sure we've met. I'm pretty sure we've talked. I've been to lots of Region 2 meetings.
Tony Fox. Eldorado Dust Devils. PNW4WDA, WOHVA member.
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crazybluerider1
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crazybluerider1
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My apologies about the attitude.
A little backstory on the issue might help.
Earlier this legislative session the idea was seriously floated to cancel ORV reciprocity agreements between WA and OR unless OR provides the VIN numbers relating to their ORV permit sales to WA so they could cross reference that with the WA database of vehicle titles so WA can prosecute violations under RCW46.16A.030(6).
I help shut that down, but since folks publicly flaunt that law it was not an task easy.
Now there are two bills that would make it easier for the State to convict residents for buying out of state ORV registration/permits by WA residents. These would make it a gross misdemeanor to fail to register an ORV or snowmobile within 15 days regardless of where you intend to use it.
The people supporting this legislation point to forums like this as proof they we are criminals that intentionally evade the current law. It becomes difficult to say that is not true, so thanks to that I have almost no leverage to stop that legislation.
A little backstory on the issue might help.
Earlier this legislative session the idea was seriously floated to cancel ORV reciprocity agreements between WA and OR unless OR provides the VIN numbers relating to their ORV permit sales to WA so they could cross reference that with the WA database of vehicle titles so WA can prosecute violations under RCW46.16A.030(6).
I help shut that down, but since folks publicly flaunt that law it was not an task easy.
Now there are two bills that would make it easier for the State to convict residents for buying out of state ORV registration/permits by WA residents. These would make it a gross misdemeanor to fail to register an ORV or snowmobile within 15 days regardless of where you intend to use it.
The people supporting this legislation point to forums like this as proof they we are criminals that intentionally evade the current law. It becomes difficult to say that is not true, so thanks to that I have almost no leverage to stop that legislation.
TreeClimber
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Thanks for the supportive words.
I've been the WOHVA Political Action Committee Chairman since about 2007.
Northwest Motorcycle VP or Pres or Legislative Coordinator since 1997.
Lobbying on behalf of all forms of ORV for about 20 years.
A bit of offroad vehicle racing mixed in too.
Prior than that I was involved with land (water) access issues for hydroplane racing organizations along with being a technical and safety inspector, driver and pit crew guy.
In between that, when time allows I would much prefer riding or wheeling in the woods.
TreeClimber
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ain'tstuckjustresting
RIP Mister 12/5/12
His name is actually Tod.
Tod Petersen
Political Action Committee Chairman â€" Washington Off Highway Vehicle Alliance
Legislative/Land Use Coordinator â€" Northwest Motorcycle Association
Email: [email protected]
TreeClimber
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Well hello Tod.
Thanks for keeping NW-Wheelers updated for the last 6 or 7 years. Much appreciated. And thanks for the action from WOHVA too.
By the way, WOHVA doesn't list your name on the website. But both Tim and Tom's last name starts with a D., so I was hypothesizing that TOD was initials.
Keep up the good fight.
Not tonight, gotta catch some zzzz before the alarm lights up at 4am.
Here are links to the bills.
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=5338&Year=2017
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1446&Chamber=House&Year=2017
KarlVP
Love that TOYOTA
Sarcasm Mode = ON
If spending about the same amount as for an ORV permit and getting somewhere between zero and $2.40 in return gives you wood, tug away. :masturbanana[1]:
Sarcasm Mode = OFF
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Avanteone
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Other than the rather suspect service and admin fees, all of your WA ORV permit must by law go toward ORV recreation.
