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REI vs Offroad

I didn't mean to "hijack" your other thread I simply made a comment and you asked for an explanation. If you want to believe that load of crap that WTA has on their site then go right ahead:rolleyes: The original idea for the 1% of the gas tax to create the NOVA fund was to make it easier for the state to collect the tax to create the ORV (not hiker) fund. Before the agreement and the creation of the fund you could go into a gas station and fill out a form and not pay tax for your ORV. This tax fund was designed to create a fund that state and federal agency's could draw from to create ORV opportunities where very few existed. It was NEVER to fund every sport in the woods. In the late 90s WTA set there sites on the fund as a way to dismantle the funding machine that supports our sport. They used funds donated by businesses like REI to hire their lawyer (peter Goldman) and others to find a way to do so. They were quite successful party due to the fact that we simply couldn't afford to fight them and their somewhat unlimited money supply. The bottom line is that REI supports groups that want our sport out of the woods and is willing to do just about anything to get their way. I cant tell you how many times I have sat at meetings or legislative hearings and have these people lie about our sport and its "impact" on their "experience" in the forest. They wont be happy until our sport is gone and we all live in apts in Seattle. As long as their money doesn't run out they will get their way one day. REI will NEVER get another dollar of mine.
 
Well, I guess i will contiinue to support our downfall, because you won't take away my hiking/biking/climbing/whatever i do in the woods from ME. :fawkdancesmiley: :haha: I understand that it sucks if they have more money and more lies. 4x4s are paddling up a creek with no paddle and a hole in the boat... Fight fire with fire. LIE about them and their impact...

Can you tell me how we DON'T damage the resources we have more than other sports like hiking/biking? ASIDE from the bad eggs, that seem to get the media attention...

I just don't care anymore. I do my part, clean up, repair, teach, but since I don't show up to clean-ups twice a year, I'm the one not supporting this sport.:looser:

Sorry, I'm justing randomly rambling. I just hear way too much whining...and wanted to whine about things myself.:redneck:
 
Aside from the REI vs. "us" arguement, valid as it really is, consider the "REI" vs. the small, family ran sports stores litered throughout the Pacific Northwest.

I would encourage you all to shop at family and locally owned stores before publicilly traded companies like REI. I still like to wander through the downtown store and my wife has worked at the store in the past.

What sucks is that Pokey is right. The Sierra club crowd, as virtuous as they might be have ZERO room for anyone who accesses the wilderness in anything but shoes. Because of that, I will never join the Sierra club, yet I am an avid hiker, cyclist, climber, skier and general enjoyer of the outdoors.

I am not a horseback rider, but I support horseback trails, follow? We just need a bunch more people like me :fawkdancesmiley:
 
Boxxerace said:
Aside from the REI vs. "us" arguement, valid as it really is, consider the "REI" vs. the small, family ran sports stores litered throughout the Pacific Northwest.

I would encourage you all to shop at family and locally owned stores before publicilly traded companies like REI. I still like to wander through the downtown store and my wife has worked at the store in the past.

What sucks is that Pokey is right. The Sierra club crowd, as virtuous as they might be have ZERO room for anyone who accesses the wilderness in anything but shoes. Because of that, I will never join the Sierra club, yet I am an avid hiker, cyclist, climber, skier and general enjoyer of the outdoors.

I am not a horseback rider, but I support horseback trails, follow? We just need a bunch more people like me :fawkdancesmiley:
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Amen man, We've got horses, wheelers, mountainbikes and hiking gear, sadly all of these activities seem to be at eachothers throats. I get what hikers say about motors in the woods, or wheels in the woods, or **** on the trail, but I personally would not go hiking at Reiter pit, love to wheel there though! And as much as they bitch, about the only place I can think of a hiking trail and a wheelin trail meeting is at Naches Pass, which, highway that it is, is one of my favorite places....Most folks just can't see past thier own nose. "Can't we all just get a bong, er, along?
 
Oh yeah, and support family owned business, eff wall mart and all the rest of the big box stores, I'm all about the mom-and-pop joints. That goes for micky D's too, I'm all about the greasy spoons when you can still find one.
 
Boonie Buster said:
Well, I guess i will contiinue to support our downfall, because you won't take away my hiking/biking/climbing/whatever i do in the woods from ME. :fawkdancesmiley: :haha: I understand that it sucks if they have more money and more lies. 4x4s are paddling up a creek with no paddle and a hole in the boat... Fight fire with fire. LIE about them and their impact...

Can you tell me how we DON'T damage the resources we have more than other sports like hiking/biking? ASIDE from the bad eggs, that seem to get the media attention...

I just don't care anymore. I do my part, clean up, repair, teach, but since I don't show up to clean-ups twice a year, I'm the one not supporting this sport.:looser:

Sorry, I'm justing randomly rambling. I just hear way too much whining...and wanted to whine about things myself.:redneck:
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Talk about whining:haha: :fawkdancesmiley: Who said anything about taking away your hiking / biking/ climbing:eeek: Theres plenty of room for everybody and every sport. Its the so called enviromentalists (exclusionists) that want the woods to themselves:rolleyes: We all have to do our part and I never said you wernt did I:eeek: We all or at least most of us enjoy many differant sports and activitys in the woods and I see no reason to support a company that supports groups that think they are the only ones that have a right to the woods.:mad:
 
Horseback riders have $$$$, and aren't likely to get "kicked off" any trails anytime soon, even though they do more damage than bikes (usually pitted against each other)....

I get really frustrated at environmentalists wanting to shut down every motorized place just cause it's motorized- like Reiter Pit. Places they would NEVER hike because it stopped being pristine when it started being a gravel pit!! :awesomework:

I ALSO get really frustrated at wheelers who drive over trees and dig up areas just off the trail, just "cuz".... that damages the sport for everyone, and only feeds the public perception that wheelers are irresponsible..... :awesomework:

It's frustrating all around....... :mad: :mad:

as for the mom-n-pop vs. mega store...well, REI started out as a group of 20 climbers looking to get the best climbing equipment they could find... and grew from there. Not quite the same as the Wal-marts of the world, trying to make as much $$ as possible purposefully at the expense of the mom-n-pops.... I realize the arguement, I try to suppose local stores as much as possible, but, REI IS a local store, it's just "made it to the big time".... That's like saying you're not going to listen to Nirvana any more because they got a big record deal..... right?!
Don't shop at REI for the reasons listed above, that's fine, but, they are a local store....
 
muddpigg said:
Kinda off topic but what is the problem with dogs in national forest? their forbidden.
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I thought they were allowed in national forests just not in national parks:eeek: and thats because to many stupid people that let their dogs run loose or bark at anything that moves.(disturbing wildlife) its back to the 1% crowd controling what happens:booo:
 
Motodestroyer69 said:
Horseback riders have $$$$, and aren't likely to get "kicked off" any trails anytime soon, even though they do more damage than bikes (usually pitted against each other)....

I get really frustrated at environmentalists wanting to shut down every motorized place just cause it's motorized- like Reiter Pit. Places they would NEVER hike because it stopped being pristine when it started being a gravel pit!! :awesomework:

I ALSO get really frustrated at wheelers who drive over trees and dig up areas just off the trail, just "cuz".... that damages the sport for everyone, and only feeds the public perception that wheelers are irresponsible..... :awesomework:

It's frustrating all around....... :mad: :mad:

as for the mom-n-pop vs. mega store...well, REI started out as a group of 20 climbers looking to get the best climbing equipment they could find... and grew from there. Not quite the same as the Wal-marts of the world, trying to make as much $$ as possible purposefully at the expense of the mom-n-pops.... I realize the arguement, I try to suppose local stores as much as possible, but, REI IS a local store, it's just "made it to the big time".... That's like saying you're not going to listen to Nirvana any more because they got a big record deal..... right?!
Don't shop at REI for the reasons listed above, that's fine, but, they are a local store....
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Very true about REI being the local store and thats why I was a member for 20 odd years. It wasnt until I got involved with the politics of the woods until I realized what was going on. I tried to enlighten them and they wouldnt listen so I boycott them at every opportunity. The horseman are finding out the the hikers arnt their friends as they used to think they were. After all horses dont like engines or even wheels and now the horseman are finding themselves getting closed out of the woods and are finding themselves on our side of the table more and more. Certified weed frree feed is the newest battle for them. I wonder who thought that one up:eeek:
 
Boxxerace said:
publicilly traded companies like REI.
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Motodestroyer69 said:
well, REI started out as a group of 20 climbers looking to get the best climbing equipment they could find... and grew from there.
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Here is what the REI website says...

REI was founded as a cooperative in 1938 by a group of 23 Pacific Northwest mountaineers seeking quality climbing equipment.

Anyone may shop at REI, but cooperative members
 
Boonie Buster said:
I must be lazy/dumb in my searches but where does it say on there website that they're trying to shut down motorized vehicile use?
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You won't find that exact verbage on the website...they are doing their part by giving money to organizations working to shut down motorized recreation. Everyone should take a look at the 2007 REI Stewardship Report. Every year REI donates 3% of the previous year's operating profit...last year they donated $3.5 million. Since 1976, they have donated almost $25 million.
 
unclestripey said:
Whare's the Dutch Cup? The other two are favorites of ours. If you're ever in Prarie City Oregon go to Chucks Grill--Farm eggs and I think the bacon came from out back.
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Dutch cup is not nearly the quality or portion that either of the two other options are, but it is open after a long day of skiing / wheeling off Hwy 2 / Sultan, or was it goldbar?
 
A guy I used to work with drove through the side of the Dutch Cup:haha:

He lived up the street from Gash:D
 

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