Replacing oils... suggestions

[japerry]

So I've been doing a bunch of research on redline vs royal purple, and other oils, and this is what I've come up with for re-filling my engine:

1) Engine Oil: Castrol Non synthetic
2) 700r4: Redline ATF
3) Toyota Tcase: Redline Gear oil
4) Front / Rear Axles: El' Cheapo gear oil, since it gets replaced often
5) Power Steering: Redline PS

so the big question, Redline or Royal Purple? I think Zukkev likes royal purple, but I see a bunch of other forums that talk about redline. Frankly they seem the same to me.

Cost is no object here, I really just need oil that holds up to heat for the tranny and power steering. Both seem to get really hot.

Suggestions?

 

[zukkev]

So I've been doing a bunch of research on redline vs royal purple, and other oils, and this is what I've come up with for re-filling my engine:

1) Engine Oil: Castrol Non synthetic
2) 700r4: Redline ATF
3) Toyota Tcase: Redline Gear oil
4) Front / Rear Axles: El' Cheapo gear oil, since it gets replaced often
5) Power Steering: Redline PS

so the big question, Redline or Royal Purple? I think Zukkev likes royal purple, but I see a bunch of other forums that talk about redline. Frankly they seem the same to me.

Cost is no object here, I really just need oil that holds up to heat for the tranny and power steering. Both seem to get really hot.

Suggestions?

Royal Purple is the ****...but I have no problem with Redline either...We use Redline products at work, As well as Mobil 1, and even Royal Purple...happen to run Redline gear oil in the diffs under the tow rig, Redline full synth ATF in the tow rig's trans & tcase...Redline is abit less $ than royal purple too!:awesomework:

 

[notstock]

I have had very good luck with Redline oils, never tried Royal Purple.

 

[jakes89f150]

AMSOIL all the way :awesomework:

 

[86tuning]

2) 700r4: Redline ATF
3) Toyota Tcase: Redline Gear oil

I would probably run ATF in both just so that you don't have to have 5 different oils.

If your p/s system accepts ATF I'd use it in that too. Cuts down your oils three types:

1) non-syth engine oil
2)3)5) synthetic ATF
4) cheap gl5 diff oil

That way you can carry three bottles of oil for topping up on the trail if needed, not 5 different oils that aren't interchangeable.

People have had good success with both Redline and Royal Purple products, but we prefer Redline for manual transmissions here.

We use redline MTL and MT90 exclusively in all of the tranmissions that run through our shop. It's good stuff.

 

[zukkev]

AMSOIL all the way :awesomework:

uke: Obviously you don't know much about oils young grasshoppa...

 

[japerry]

I would probably run ATF in both just so that you don't have to have 5 different oils.

If your p/s system accepts ATF I'd use it in that too. Cuts down your oils three types:

1) non-syth engine oil
2)3)5) synthetic ATF
4) cheap gl5 diff oil

That way you can carry three bottles of oil for topping up on the trail if needed, not 5 different oils that aren't interchangeable.

People have had good success with both Redline and Royal Purple products, but we prefer Redline for manual transmissions here.

We use redline MTL and MT90 exclusively in all of the tranmissions that run through our shop. It's good stuff.

I forgot to mention, I'm using the hi-flow PS from Trail-Gear in the 4runner. I'm not sure if that makes a difference?

I like the idea of only needing three oils. I didn't think ATF was good for the tcase, since it recommended the same oil as my diffs. But I'm thinking the Tcase would probably run cooler with some redline instead of the el' cheapo GL5 stuff for the diffs.

 

[jakes89f150]

uke: Obviously you don't know much about oils young grasshoppa...

Been using it in our race cars for years, never had any problems...
Then again we never had any problems with RP either :haha:
TBH im not a big fan of Redline, basically Mobile One put in a different bottle and priced a bit higher IMO

 

[PUO-BANNED]

I was in the lube industry for 10+ years and it all comes down to marketing the oil.

The only difference is the additive package they add to the base oil. the refinement process is basically the same.

When you buy redline, royal purple, Etc. your buying the name.


Synthetic is the best marketing tool that they ever came up with. kinda like "tactical" stupid motherfuckers will line up to buy the ****

 

[jakes89f150]

I was in the lube industry for 10+ years and it all comes down to marketing the oil.

The only difference is the additive package they add to the base oil. the refinement process is basically the same.

When you buy redline, royal purple, Etc. your buying the name.


Synthetic is the best marketing tool that they ever came up with. kinda like "tactical" stupid motherfuckers will line up to buy the ****

i agree that at a point its all a big marketing ploy, but you said your self its the additives. There was some chemist that came up with a formula to get the lubrication properties desired

 

[PUO-BANNED]

i agree that at a point its all a big marketing ploy, but you said your self its the additives. There was some chemist that came up with a formula to get the lubrication properties desired

Unless that chemist is using something that cannot be found on this rock we call earth, I am not going to stick with one single brand.

 

[86tuning]

I like the idea of only needing three oils. I didn't think ATF was good for the tcase, since it recommended the same oil as my diffs. But I'm thinking the Tcase would probably run cooler with some redline instead of the el' cheapo GL5 stuff for the diffs.

I dunno, we've run ATF in transfer cases for years. It's an EP type lubricant, basically rated GL4. It's not like you're dealing with shift quality in an xfer case, it's just gear load and bearings. Same types of bits and pieces that are inside your auto trans.

GL5 (hypoid) type lubricants aren't required for trans/transfer case. Only hypoid diffs.

Check with trailgear to see if you can run ATF, or if they specifically recommend PS fluid.

 

[zukkev]

I was in the lube industry for 10+ years and it all comes down to marketing the oil.

The only difference is the additive package they add to the base oil. the refinement process is basically the same.

When you buy redline, royal purple, Etc. your buying the name.

True, true...to a point; There are many different levels of base oil refining before it even gets mixed with additives, so the quality of the synth oil you buy can vary dramatically...and there are only a select few that are completely 100% full synthetic...Mobil1, Redline, Royal Purple, Kendall are some I know of

 

[zukkev]

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TBH im not a big fan of Redline, basically Mobile One put in a different bottle and priced a bit higher IMO

Where did you get that info from???

 

[zukkev]

This is a looong read, but good--basically sums up that actually the base oil used (be it synth or petrol) is the biggest difference between oil brands... Bare in mind this read appears to be from the mid 90's, and doesn't even mention Royal Purple...Gonna dig some more...:awesomework:
EDIT; Forgot to add the link!!!:haha:
http://www.msttn.com/dyna/OilReport.pdf

 

[jakes89f150]

Where did you get that info from???

notice the IMO part at the end :;

 

[japerry]

okay so I'm getting ready to buy these, but I see 3 different types of oil....

Redline Synthetic ATF
Redline MTL
Redline MT-90

The PS from Trail-Gear says 'ATF Dextron 2 or better' -- so I'm seeing here I might need two different oils...?

The transmission is a 700r4, toyota axles. Dual Toyota Tcases.

So this is what I'm thinking:
Redline Synthetic ATF (Dextron III) for the 700r4 and PS
Redline MT-90 for Tcase or would ATF work here?
Cheapo GL5 or maybe MT-90 for Axles.

 

[Mark m.]

I've been running redline in my full hydro setup for a couple of years and I like it.

 

[japerry]

I've been running redline in my full hydro setup for a couple of years and I like it.

what version of redline? ATF, MT-90, MTL?

 

[Mark m.]

what version of redline? ATF, MT-90, MTL?

What ever there PS fluid is. Stealthrunner runs the same in his TG setup.