So it's the year 2050, what are we gonna see on the trails (not the races)?

[tonybolton]

Will the dozers be half-ton-towable though?

....if the half tons are Fords pulling them.

 

[TBItoy]

Pretty good observation. I will add that the fox dynamics tech or the super car hydraulic shock systems will show up in some form on trail rigs. Both systems keep a vehicle more level

some of that is already on "normal" vehicles like the 4Runner KDSS, but I haven't seen it adapted to real offroad long travel suspension.


I think we'll see the spool valve tech in long travel offroad shocks before long.

 

[tkinze]

electric motors all around, 1 electric motor at each wheel and would also negate need for any gearing at all. Imagine the possibilities, no drive-line, no drive shafts or any of the crap associated.

 

[TBItoy]

electric motors all around, 1 electric motor at each wheel and would also negate need for any gearing at all.

I saw some pics of GM electric "crate motors" from SEMA

 

[Eddyj]

Rockwells and 4 speeds... cause they is simple and cheap.

 

[ridered3]

Bringing this thread back from the dead. Any new thoughts about future offroading?

 

[Lil ugly]

based on our current presidential leadership I have my money on electric pogosticks as the offroad vehicle of the future.

 

[Wagfabulous]

Stickys will be old enough by then I could afford a set thats built this year lol . All jokes aside though when they figure out how to make a long lasting battery that doesnt weigh a ton there will be electric buggys . They'll be substantially lighter that what we see now after the battery technology comes around. What I imagine is something like rockwell axles with an electric motor on each pinion , no need for engine, trans, tcase , or driveshafts . One single vfd to run both motors , a battery , a small electric hydraulic unit kinda like what you see on roll back to run the steering on both axles. Im just brainstorming but thats what I see. Can you imagine seeing a buggy weighing under 2k with no rotationial torque loss besides axles an tires ?

 

[Bebop]

Can you imagine seeing a buggy weighing under 2k with no rotationial torque loss besides axles an tires ?

I don't expect this to happen, unless you're talking competition moon buggies with a 15mn autonomy.
Batteries weigh a ton.

MOA architecture is coming though, that's for sure.

 

[extremetownie]

I don't expect this to happen, unless you're talking competition moon buggies with a 15mn autonomy.
Batteries weigh a ton.

MOA architecture is coming though, that's for sure.

Speak English , dammit.

 

[Bebop]

rockwell axles with an electric motor on each pinion , no need for engine, trans, tcase , or driveshafts . One single vfd to run both motors

This is called MOA architechture.
Motor On Axle.

@extremetownie Only thing I could see in my post that wasn't crystal clear. Anything else that's "not English" ?

 

[Wagfabulous]

I don't expect this to happen, unless you're talking competition moon buggies with a 15mn autonomy.
Batteries weigh a ton.

MOA architecture is coming though, that's for sure.

Yea 2k is alittle on the light side . I have no idea what the average bare chassis weighs but I do know that stickys and beadlocks weigh 180 a piece . Just happened to see some on a scale the other day . Id say its possible it could still be under 3k . Again this all relies on technology changing in the next 30 years .

 

[smbroady82]

This is called MOA architechture.
Motor On Axle.

@extremetownie Only thing I could see in my post that wasn't crystal clear. Anything else that's "not English" ?

Damn engineers....

 

[jeeptj99]

Speak English , dammit.

fuggin french bastard

 

[jeeptj99]

under 2k would be insanely hard to do on a trail rig. i only know of 1 and you have no cooler/tool space and it's like an outfit you put it on to drive it..... but it will hurt your feelings.

 

[Wagfabulous]

under 2k would be insanely hard to do on a trail rig. i only know of 1 and you have no cooler/tool space and it's like an outfit you put it on to drive it..... but it will hurt your feelings.

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I bet that rig has hurt alot of people's feelings . Something else I often wonder is if anyone has played with aircraft aluminum tubing chassis yet on a buggy. I realize its not very cost effective but I'm sure someone has.

 

[ridered3]

This is called MOA architechture.
Motor On Axle.

@extremetownie Only thing I could see in my post that wasn't crystal clear. Anything else that's "not English" ?

What does 15 Autonomous Minnesota's (MN) have to do with anything?

Knowing full well that's the lingo meaning 15 minutes of run time.

 

[TBItoy]

based on our current presidential leadership I have my money on electric pogosticks as the offroad vehicle of the future.

Only if you get the special "high impact" permit (subscription service of course) + extra charge per Po, double charge if you want the Go.

 

[TBItoy]

under 2k would be insanely hard to do on a trail rig. i only know of 1 and you have no cooler/tool space and it's like an outfit you put it on to drive it..... but it will hurt your feelings.

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That thing will drive up stuff easier than walking...
but I see ~150lbs of possible savings (air shocks, plastic fuel cell, aluminum wheels),
plus another ~150-250 if you made it into a big RC car

When you start talking % of total weight, instead of pure weight, it gets big on rigs like this.

Jesse Haines goes so far as to fab tiny sheetmetal brackets for accessories, tiny low-output alternators, etc on the comp cars.

 

[Lil ugly]

That thing will drive up stuff easier than walking...
but I see ~150lbs of possible savings (air shocks, plastic fuel cell, aluminum wheels),
plus another ~150-250 if you made it into a big RC car

When you start talking % of total weight, instead of pure weight, it gets big on rigs like this.

Jesse Haines goes so far as to fab tiny sheetmetal brackets for accessories, tiny low-output alternators, etc on the comp cars.

You joke about the RC car but you are probably closer to the truth than you realize.