Toy Brake advise

[GrahamCracker]

So I picked up the front axle for my SAS today($200!! hub to hub). Just want to run 35's, nothing special. My question is should I try and use my IFS hubs (warn, installed by PO. Brakes installed in the last 6 months), brakes and calipers or just run the stock 85 SA stuff?

I read through this convoluted mess a few times http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2423615#post2423615
And still wasnt sure which route to go. It seems everyone had they're own way, and really no build up.

I'm going to order the necessary rebuild kits this weekend, and wanted to know if I should order pads too and have the rotors turned or wait until my swap, and put the IFS stuff on.

Has anyone done this on the board? Pics?

Thanks

Nick :awesomework:

 

[crash2]

Most folks who run the IFS hubs/brakes is to retian some width instead of having to run spacers to match the width of the rear IFS axle width.

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Get the knuckle rebuild kit anywhere but trail gear. Their trunion bearings are fawking trash.

As far as brakes, I'd run your calipers on a set of fj-40 rotors so you get vented rotors and you get to keep your new brakes at the same time.

I have ran IFS hubs myself and have installed a few other sets in a couple different ways so if you want to add a few inches of width by using the IFS stuff I can help you out, just ask.

 

[GrahamCracker]

Yeah Crash, that was another benefit. Not having to run spacers. I've never been too keen on those, even though it seems thats the way everyone is steered with the off the shelf SAS kits.

I seem to keep hearing more bad things about TG than good ones. I ordered a set of sliders and a rear bumper last week thinking it was coming from a vendor. As it turns out, he's shipping them straight from TG.

WT. I'll shoot you an IM as soon as I get ready for the teardown with questions. Cant do much with the IFS stuff until the swap starts, but I'll get the LC rotors so I'm ready. The only real questions I had was on the modifications to the rotors and calipers. If I use the stock IFS calipers and hubs though, theres really no HD changes right?

 

[86tuning]

you may have better results with Aisin hubs than the Warn ones though. The Aisin ones are retained with the cone nuts and generally hold up better around here. As always, your mileage may vary.

 

[GrahamCracker]

Are the SA/IFS hubs interchangeable?

If so I'd run the Aisins and keep the Warns handy for spares.

Another question I had was what happens when I want to upgrade shafts etc.? Will I have screwed myself using the IFS hubs, and wont be able to use SA hub gears and such? I read on the Longfield website that Bobby's hub gears allow the IFS hub to be used. Or should I just buy these anyways while I'm at it.

Thanks again guys

Nick

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

IFS lockouts have I think 26 splines where solid axle is 30. You can use AISIN IFS lockouts with Bobby's hub gears. That's the only way to do it.

Warns are fawking garbage. They stick out too far, the hub body is pot metal and they use bolts with no cone washers so the bolts loosen up constantly. Been there done that swapped them off for aisin hubs.

 

[GrahamCracker]

IFS lockouts have I think 26 splines where solid axle is 30. You can use AISIN IFS lockouts with Bobby's hub gears. That's the only way to do it.

Warns are fawking garbage. They stick out too far, the hub body is pot metal and they use bolts with no cone washers so the bolts loosen up constantly. Been there done that swapped them off for aisin hubs.

But can I use the Aisin's with the rest of the IFS assembly/LC rotor/ IFS caliper?

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Yes, all the hub assemblies IFS/mini truck/fj60 etc share the same bolt patterns for the lockouts etc. The wheel bearings are all the same too, it's the inner seal that is different.

You can use either IFS or solid axle aisin lockouts once the IFS version has been converted using Bobby's gears.

 

[Alan]

Hi All:

Thread highjack!!

White Trash I don't disagree with your opinions on Aisin hubs, but what do you think of the idea of using the Warn lock-outs as a fuseable link on the front axle?

Regards,

Alan

Warns are fawking garbage. They stick out too far, the hub body is pot metal and they use bolts with no cone washers so the bolts loosen up constantly. Been there done that swapped them off for aisin hubs.

 

[boardbysled]

Warns are fawking garbage. They stick out too far, the hub body is pot metal and they use bolts with no cone washers so the bolts loosen up constantly. Been there done that swapped them off for aisin hubs.

I agree. I kept breaking hub bolts off on mine, then when I finally solved that, I toasted the whole body of the hub.

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Hi All:

Thread highjack!!

White Trash I don't disagree with your opinions on Aisin hubs, but what do you think of the idea of using the Warn lock-outs as a fuseable link on the front axle?

Regards,

Alan

I'd rather not deal with the busted bolts and dowels plus the added cost of buying another pair of junk hubs when they break. But if you like EZ outing bolts on the trail more power to you. :redneck:

A built in weak point is a band aid for a drive that can't won't limit his right foot. :haha:

 

[zukkev]

Hi All:

Thread highjack!!

White Trash I don't disagree with your opinions on Aisin hubs, but what do you think of the idea of using the Warn lock-outs as a fuseable link on the front axle?

Regards,

Alan

Warns design soley relies on the two locating dowels to keep the hub from moving, whereas the aisins use the cones to also keep it from moving...Not if, but when the warns come loose, often times much more catastrophic damage occurs than just breaking a hub (in fact the hub rarely breaks before other damage occurs!)---the dowels either break or the holes they go into get hogged out from the bolts loosening, ultimately causing the hub studs and dowels to break!....pretty much renders the wheel hub garbage!!! Been there, done that got the t-shirt!!! I no longer have warns on my rig---I will stick to Aisins, and take my chances on an axle/birf breaking...:awesomework:
EDIT: I realize this thread has a mention of what hubs to use, and I think that's been covered....let's try and focus on the brakes end of things now, shall we!!!:whip:

 

[GrahamCracker]

But now I know to sh!t can the Warns currently on my rig, and use the Aisins that are currently on the axle being used for my swap. One less thing I have to replace later on in theory.

 

[zukkev]

But now I know to sh!t can the Warns currently on my rig, and use the Aisins that are currently on the axle being used for my swap. One less thing I have to replace later on in theory.

:awesomework:

 

[crapyota]

funny all you ass hats preach about maintance then say when the hub loosens it will break!! check the dam thing once in awhile!!!!
i ran warn hubs for 3 years no problems!!!if you check your **** once in awhile like everyone preaches no problems right!!!everyone has opinions..
that said i now run aisin hubs with bobbys hub gears because i got them when i bought longfeilds from someone on this board.. otherwise i would still have warn hubs!
your ifs hubs have a different spline count then a solid axle hub... yes bobby sells hub gears that you can install in your ifs hub to run on his longfeild axles!!!


couple questions is this a wheeler or daily driver? you got a ton of money?
are you compeeting with it,gonna run 48inch monster tires?this all factors in.

reason being is why spend money on **** you dont need yet.. you got hubs that will work use them(unless you got money to burn)!! spend your money on a high steer or something that you will benifit from,something you need and dont have yet!!
are you buying a sas kit or not? what you gonna use for the rest of the stuff. money could be spent to buy misc. stuff shocks,shock hoops,brakelines,shackles,spring hanger,leaf springs,extended drivline cause you will need a d-line if you want that front to work,dont forget you need arp studs,and a 5th stud setup or six shooter knuckles(its a toy) etc....


also there is alot of people bias on their opinion on who you buy from.. i have bought trail gear stuff for years now,and never had a complaint even their knuckle rebuild kits...the only bearings i had to replace were damaged when steering studs broke(maintenace)!! i have tg sliders,extended slip driveline,and the complete rear set up with 5inch springs no complaints. you know how many people run their stuff? no ?'s asked warrenty...
just some stuff to think about,but like i said if you got a ton of money buy all the bad ass **** first :awesomework:
good luck on the build,keep your eyes on the prize,and dont overthink stuff..remeber whats your goal for the rig hardcore wheeler,d.d,or weekend warrior?

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

blah blah

Good for you, if you'd read his post the warn hubs are on his current IFS so they wouldn't work on the solid axle in the first place. :;

I ran warns for a few years on a V8 yota on 38's and other than tightening the hub bolts a couple times a day I didn't have any issues either. Since then I've seen a LOT of those piles of pot metal busted internally and with shattered bodies from just flat out not being strong enough to hold together under stress.

You have good luck with cheap crap congrats, see you on the trail.

 

[zukkev]

funny all you ass hats preach about maintance then say when the hub loosens it will break!! check the dam thing once in awhile!!!!?

Before calling people you don't know asshats, better check your facts... And again, it's not usually the hub that breaks...Unless your Trashypoo!!
I am basing my experience only after breaking studs AFTER only 3 trips...after that, I checked them before each run, and you know what---THEY WERE LOOSE every time; ended up taking out the right side dowel pins and ruining that wheel hub----And my rig at the time was only on 33's, freshly put together in June of '07...the Warns came off right after our new year's run '08 (broke two more studs!!!) in favor of Aisin's....I still check the studs periodically, but guess what---never been a problem since!!!:awesomework:

 

[CHOP SHOP]

i ran warn hubs for 3 years no problems!!!

you sir have just recieved the "I wheel like a girl" award.

The first thing I ever broke on a toyota was a warn hub. I was still running stock birfs and it broke the hub clean in half and shot the half with the lock out dial right out into the brush. NOT LOOSE, BROKE CLEAN in HALF.

I have NEVER seen an aisin hub do that. Put a warn on the scale and then a aisin, the aisin is way heavier to.

I still have the half a hub around. Ill get a pic for you.

 

[crash2]

funny all you ass hats preach about maintance then say when the hub loosens it will break!! check the dam thing once in awhile!!!!
i ran warn hubs for 3 years no problems!!!if you check your **** once in awhile like everyone preaches no problems right!!!everyone has opinions..
that said i now run aisin hubs with bobbys hub gears because i got them when i bought longfeilds from someone on this board.. otherwise i would still have warn hubs!
your ifs hubs have a different spline count then a solid axle hub... yes bobby sells hub gears that you can install in your ifs hub to run on his longfeild axles!!!


couple questions is this a wheeler or daily driver? you got a ton of money?
are you compeeting with it,gonna run 48inch monster tires?this all factors in.

reason being is why spend money on **** you dont need yet.. you got hubs that will work use them(unless you got money to burn)!! spend your money on a high steer or something that you will benifit from,something you need and dont have yet!!
are you buying a sas kit or not? what you gonna use for the rest of the stuff. money could be spent to buy misc. stuff shocks,shock hoops,brakelines,shackles,spring hanger,leaf springs,extended drivline cause you will need a d-line if you want that front to work,dont forget you need arp studs,and a 5th stud setup or six shooter knuckles(its a toy) etc....


also there is alot of people bias on their opinion on who you buy from.. i have bought trail gear stuff for years now,and never had a complaint even their knuckle rebuild kits...the only bearings i had to replace were damaged when steering studs broke(maintenace)!! i have tg sliders,extended slip driveline,and the complete rear set up with 5inch springs no complaints. you know how many people run their stuff? no ?'s asked warrenty...
just some stuff to think about,but like i said if you got a ton of money buy all the bad ass **** first :awesomework:
good luck on the build,keep your eyes on the prize,and dont overthink stuff..remeber whats your goal for the rig hardcore wheeler,d.d,or weekend warrior?

Warn hubs are the absolute worse hub for a toy aplication regardless how how much you keep up on them. I have on 2 occasions ran with guys who i know for a fact who kept up there rigs maintianance and still broke those POS hob assemblies. Take the warn and set it next to the aisian assembly and compare. Also look at the upgrades available to the aisian hub assemblies that will gurantee under hard use some decent strength.