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As I understand it you only need the the saw card if you are participating in an official FS cleanup. You are not allowed to use a saw if you have the card beings you fall under their umbrella insurance policy.
It is enforced. Regardless, I vote for seasonal closures.
The Kaner Flats Massacre should have been enough evidence as to this reasoning. And obviously the F.C. took it as such.
So then should we have a rule, no wheeling on snow unless the whole trail is snow and at least 2 feet deep? By your reasoning some trails shouldn't be open until at least july as some of the higher elevations keep snow until then. Close them in early October as that's when the snow usually starts? So we wheel in August and Sept. Some wheel for the challenge of a difficult trail, there are no difficult trails in little naches/manastash in aug and sept.
Did you copy this from one of the other threads? I feel you've written this exact thing a couple times before.... Obviously it hasn't sunk in to most.........
That's so they don't get run over by a group of wheelers and it isn't enforced.![]()
Some wheel for the challenge of a difficult trail, there are no difficult trails in little naches/manastash in aug and sept.
Not much on sarcasm are you?....Just how new are you at this ****?:haha:Then you can walk.
Not much on sarcasm are you?....Just how new are you at this ****?:haha:
This is taken from the Evergreen Mountain Bike Alliance, an ORGANIZED, (key word there, something this group can't figure out) A group that is DOING something, instead of camping out at a keyboard saying "we need to ban to gether and fight the man!"
Yes something like this...The trails could be closed on a case by case basis and would only need to be closed for a couple weeks each then opened back up. Say for instance snow starts lake October for Shoestring and melts again early May. Close it for the last week in October and the first week in November then open it again until snowmobile season. Same thing in the spring, close it last week of may and first week of July then open it back up....Maybe during these closed weeks we could do work parties so it's good to go once it opens?
How in the world do you enforce this? They can't even stop someone from off trail mudding when they know the place and time each year. The logistical issues with individual trail opening/closing is beyond the FS. They want blanket open and close dates. They do it with snoparks, we'll be no different. Your idea is one of the more reasonable ones IF you support seasonal closures but I dont think the FS could do it well. Plus if they try closing trails in the fall, they'll have a hell of a fight on their hands with hunters, a much bigger, richer group than wheelers. I get your sarcasm but apparently you don't get mine. Doing this too long?:kiss:
But to answer the O.P. question I think working with the F.S./D.N.R to Make two trails or a "Winter Bypass" through problem areas may be a good idea.
You have your summer trail "softer area" that would be used in the summer and winter trail "More Hardpan/firm area" This would alleviate damage and allow nature to "Heal".
We would have to figure out a way to block these alternate routes effectively but im sure there is a genious somewhere in this group that could figure it out.
That's what the FS wants out of the woods.
FS does not allow bypasses like the DNR does. The trail has to stay in its original two tracks as it was made.
This is a qoute from one of the FS folks that I work with.
"Bypass's on the National Forest are prohibited. The ATV/4x4 trail may only be a single two track thru the forest. It must remain with in its orginal track as much is possible. This differs from the DNR quite a bit."
How did they do it? Boonie you have any conections with thier guys on the ground doing the work? There was something along the lines of they "communicated the concerns of our community and the science behind mountain bike impact on trail conditions." What did they do scientifically? Who was thier scientist?
I've talked to a few in passing, but never gotten to a point of "connections". :booo: