Upper Links On Buggys

Boosted · Mar 10, 2009

Makes sense now.... thanks ! Im gonna drive over to the shop and discuss a few possible upgrades I would like with you. You there everyday?

Jason C · Mar 10, 2009

Boosted said:
Makes sense now.... thanks ! Im gonna drive over to the shop and discuss a few possible upgrades I would like with you. You there everyday?

Oh yeah... most every day till around 6 ish. my be taking sudays off in the future... I could only hope! :redneck:

crash2 · Mar 10, 2009

Jason C said:
Oh yeah... most every day till around 6 ish. my be taking sudays off in the future... I could only hope! :redneck:

What--7 days a week or nothing :redneck:

They will take care of you bill

mark · Mar 10, 2009

Jason C said:
Oh yeah... most every day till around 6 ish. my be taking sudays off in the future... I could only hope! :redneck:

I just figured you lived there

wow, this is the most I've seen JC post up on ANY forum in a LONG time.... must be slow, or he's making Neck and Darius do all the work while he sips Mia Tia's..... :flipoff:
________
Magic Flight

Hip · Mar 10, 2009

im hoping they are surveying all my parts on order and fixing to call me to come get em.....

subscribing to thread now.:redneck:

Binder · Mar 10, 2009

CHOP SHOP said:
I plan to learn this as binder has I assume. By trial and error.

I think I've learned a lot over the years by just trying different things but the setup I have now is just the way Jason told me to do it. I can take no credit for the design what so ever.:redneck:

Jason C · Mar 10, 2009

Hip said:
im hoping they are surveying all my parts on order and fixing to call me to come get em.....

subscribing to thread now.:redneck:

Ummm.. you did not hear Hip.... your parts are our inventory! :redneck: SOLD to the highest bidder! :awesomework:

Binder said:
I think I've learned a lot over the years by just trying different things but the setup I have now is just the way Jason told me to do it. I can take no credit for the design what so ever.:redneck:

Learned by trial and error... years of compiling info in my bald little head!

Boosted · Mar 10, 2009

Jason C said:
Ummm.. you did not hear Hip.... your parts are our inventory! :redneck: SOLD to the highest bidder! :awesomework:

Is it me? Did I win??? WAHOO !!!

Oh wait, I havent even stopped by and talked to you yet Jason. NVM.

Roccrawler · Mar 10, 2009

i tried a ton of different configurations and triangulations on my last rig which seemed like it worked great then finally just paid the experts and I tell you it was worth every penny.. drives like a sports car in the trail is the only way to describe it.

Thanks guys (S&N fab) :awesomework:

Brian H · Mar 13, 2009

Roccrawler said:
i tried a ton of different configurations and triangulations on my last rig which seemed like it worked great then finally just paid the experts and I tell you it was worth every penny.. drives like a sports car in the trail is the only way to describe it.

Thanks guys (S&N fab) :awesomework:

Thats about where im at right now.:awesomework:

Pat · Mar 13, 2009

Jason C said:
My point is not bag on any configuration or leafs for that matter. Every suspension has a place and a "use" the inverted 4 link is by no means the "end all be all" of suspension designs. but having tried every configuration it seems to offer the most predictability and driveability to the end user. I just wanted to make it a point on the info on Pirate. he info is good it just matters how you want to apply it. according to the link calculator my old car would not work and had AS #'s through the roof. it worked fine... infact was one of the best Cars I have drivin (mostly because it was mine :redneck. But I was use to it's "quirks" and took advantage of them.

the link calculator... Oh boy.... is it a good tool?.... Could be... has a ton of potental. Fantastic for giving numbers on flat ground. the only things it can give you is your push pull points roll axis, roll center, and anti squat..... all those points only matter on how and where they are pushing on your COG... where is that?... and when most ppl use the calculator how are they figuring the COG. and if you think about it they will only build one buggy in there life so where would they start on figuing this out when most the time they are designing a suspension first. if that is the case than how can you figure out how to apply these push parameters to the COG when it is TBD or a "best guess" so how does this help the end user? I guess it gives them a false sense of security knowing that they "ran the numbers" and some guy on pirate that talks in every suspension thread said it was good. what has that person built? what made him the higher power to givethe nod. I know this is long winded but the point is do not believe ANYthing you read on there. Ues the info than find out for yourself. Watch other configurations (which I assume you do) and drive them and draw your own conclusion to what you want and like. I have tried every configuration and planted my feet on what I liked performance wise. is it the best? For me yes but not for everyone. 2 examples... here is Daves KOH car.... dual triangulation (with out inverted lowers) http://www.snfab.com/projects/daves/daves037.JPG

and here is mine (invrted 4 link with slight upper triangulation)

http://www.snfab.com/projects/jasonc/jasonc101.JPG

dave tried something on his last car and wanted to carry it on to this one. Does it work better? depends. his is smoother on the the fast chop since he has lower AS but his roll center is different but he prefers the feel. what he gave up is the ability to crawl verts My car was un changed in the rocks but I get beat a little harder in the fast stuff. we each have to drive around a different flaw. but his car has some lighter parts and his motor is back 4" further than mine.. all those play into the equasion. I think the biggest flaw in suspension building that people miss is not seeing the project as a whole.. and just focusing on one part. being the suspension or the power or the look or architecture of the rig. you have to comprimise everywhere so the rig works in unison or it will not work at all. There is a big difference between a guy that talks about suspension all day and the guys who actually build them all day. :smile:

This post has more good information than anything else I have read about suspension.

Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. :awesomework:

Jaydog · Mar 13, 2009

Pat said:
This post has more good information than anything else I have read about suspension.

Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge. :awesomework:

X2...