btw, there is a car up at the top of the trail that goes up the mountain. i dont know what its called, but you go past the pit, turn right once you get into the trees, go up that road, turn right where the road splits, and go all the way to the top. there is a blue import that someone pushed over the side of the hill, it hit a stump and stopped. dunno if someone wants to mount a recovery operation for that or not.