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Binder
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No way to know for sure but it IS possible that happened in a rig.
CHOP SHOP
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where are the other side axles??
MIG'DHORSE
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drive flanges might not fail before that happened, but a ring gear certainly would. looked too perfect of a twist, though. kinda fishy that it's perfectly clean, too.
zukkev
Cornfuzzled yet again...
I'm thinking to get that much uniform twist, testing machine. But I have had an axle twist quite abit without breaking....not THAT much though (and mine was a stock Sami axle!)
CHOP SHOP
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how bad does it hurt for Bobby to warranty an axle?? sometimes when your the big supplier an you just dont know, you just gotta eat it. these axles have paid his bills very well. giving up one axle is not going to put him in the poor house. I guess dealing with large venders must have its perks, and maybe some downfalls too.
maybe trailgear broke it just to see how Bob stands behind a product that they carry. doesnt TG offer a no Qs lifetime warranty?? I guess Bobs is a lots of Qs then maybe lifetime warranty.
maybe trailgear broke it just to see how Bob stands behind a product that they carry. doesnt TG offer a no Qs lifetime warranty?? I guess Bobs is a lots of Qs then maybe lifetime warranty.
how bad does it hurt for Bobby to warranty an axle?? sometimes when your the big supplier an you just dont know, you just gotta eat it. these axles have paid his bills very well. giving up one axle is not going to put him in the poor house. I guess dealing with large venders must have its perks, and maybe some downfalls too.
maybe trailgear broke it just to see how Bob stands behind a product that they carry. doesnt TG offer a no Qs lifetime warranty?? I guess Bobs is a lots of Qs then maybe lifetime warranty.
You know just as well as any that he has eaten the warranty of many more axles that shouldnt have been warrantied but in this case its alittle different.
zukkev
Cornfuzzled yet again...
I looked alittle closer at the pics, and there's only one wear spot on the axle splines-you can still see the marks in the splines from when the axles were splined--->if that axle was in a rig, the splines where they go into the bell would have been worn shiny smooth from shock load!! I call BS.....
Not Jobless
Mr Funbags
When you offer the warranty that Bobby does you kind of back yourself into a corner when it comes to questionable ethics of your resellers.
Not much you can do except take a big bite of that **** sandwich.
Not much you can do except take a big bite of that **** sandwich.
Binder
Well-Known Member
The only odd thing about this is the fact that the twist was right up to the point of breaking but didn't break. It's hard to do that in a rig but it is possible and does happen. Most of the time the twist is less or the axle breaks.
The other side axle has nothing to do with it. The specifics of the axle it was installed in, R&P, drive flange has little to nothing to do with it. Wear patterns on the axle from the seal or gears has nothing to do with it, it could have very low hours use......
The only difference between a axle machine twist and a installed twist is the fact that a axle test machine can stop at a very fine and specific point where in your rig it's just luck that it stoped at that point.
The other side axle has nothing to do with it. The specifics of the axle it was installed in, R&P, drive flange has little to nothing to do with it. Wear patterns on the axle from the seal or gears has nothing to do with it, it could have very low hours use......
The only difference between a axle machine twist and a installed twist is the fact that a axle test machine can stop at a very fine and specific point where in your rig it's just luck that it stoped at that point.
It had to be machine tested. Because the more I think about I just don't see how you could twist "both" sets of splines. Once one starts twisting thats the week point. The other set of spline don't step in and start twisting. If its going to break it will be at the first twisted spline. I call BS it was tested.
Warranty them out and explain to them if they want to test his axles, thats fine but dont expect anymore warranties.
Warranty them out and explain to them if they want to test his axles, thats fine but dont expect anymore warranties.
Binder
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And how does a machine magically twist both splines? Does it hold the axle in the center and twist each end separate?
I'm not a rockcrawler but if the rig was moving slow and a tire got in a bind I would think it would try and shear just like in a testing machine except for the fact that the birfs, R&P, and 3rd member might go before it. Also as mentioned above that it happened to stop twisting before it snapped. Just luck there.
As to people asking why take the axles out if they didn't break and that they could be driven on some more. I think they need to go back to tech school or the hole they crawled out of. Like stated in the article it was on a comp rig but what if you are Joe Schmoe rebuilding your axles and happen to find a shaft like that. You aren't gonna put that back in and drive on it. Especially if you can get a new one under warranty. Oh and I would clean it too if I was looking for other damage. If it was in a comp rig and inspected after each comp that explains why they are so clean.
If I was bobby long I would just go ahead and replace the axle and stop griping about it unless I had absolute proof that it was intentionally done in a machine. Plus if you are a manufacturer like him you don't air your dirty laundry in public. If you designed, tested, made, and sold those axle shafts you should know what to look for and be prepared for scams.
I agree it seems like he is a lot of questions then give a warranty. I say this is just bad press brought on by himself. If you have a warranty you better stand by it.
Wes
As to people asking why take the axles out if they didn't break and that they could be driven on some more. I think they need to go back to tech school or the hole they crawled out of. Like stated in the article it was on a comp rig but what if you are Joe Schmoe rebuilding your axles and happen to find a shaft like that. You aren't gonna put that back in and drive on it. Especially if you can get a new one under warranty. Oh and I would clean it too if I was looking for other damage. If it was in a comp rig and inspected after each comp that explains why they are so clean.
If I was bobby long I would just go ahead and replace the axle and stop griping about it unless I had absolute proof that it was intentionally done in a machine. Plus if you are a manufacturer like him you don't air your dirty laundry in public. If you designed, tested, made, and sold those axle shafts you should know what to look for and be prepared for scams.
I agree it seems like he is a lot of questions then give a warranty. I say this is just bad press brought on by himself. If you have a warranty you better stand by it.
Wes
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Pook
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I've never had an issue with things being warrantied by Bobby, not even much in the way of questioning either. I send my stuff in, state exactly when and how it broke, with a phone number to contact me.
Wish the thread was still open would of like to have seen the pics. Anyone know the exact specs on the rig the axle was in, very suprised nothing else let go.
From the sounds of it the axle twisted up real good without breaking, so if it took some good abuse wheeling hard before hand, I would of been quite happy to be running it and having it not break.
Wish the thread was still open would of like to have seen the pics. Anyone know the exact specs on the rig the axle was in, very suprised nothing else let go.
From the sounds of it the axle twisted up real good without breaking, so if it took some good abuse wheeling hard before hand, I would of been quite happy to be running it and having it not break.
AMJ
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Damn didn't get to see the thread before it was deleted.
It was in a formula toy at a comp, he said he had it bound up and the T-case grenaded, then when he got home he pulled it apart and thats what he found, so he cleaned it up. I dont know, it is a tough decision, but by the looks, a machine, this is what I did to my alloys, they warranted them no problem, but they were clearly broke, and not saying anything bad about bobby.
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