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The truth--no BS.......
would you just vote and move on? people are waiting
Fine - if it will make you happy? Then I will cast my vote...
*(will it really make a difference?)
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:awesomework:Binder
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No this something I believe and for reason. I could explainbut it would be off topic and get deleted.
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Truth from a neutral mediator 
LuckyBoyOne3
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I like hearing what needs to be done to get it done, rather then what someone thinks needs to be talked about so we can think about getting it done.
Facts backed by action plan.
Facts backed by action plan.
This pic is from the last rally we had in oly. That same day the Noise bill from sen. Kline was killed. Yes it can work and does:cheer:
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That's not always so easy because there are frequently multiple ways that it could be done. Each of those options would it's own pros and cons to be weighed.
Asking for input and discussion in order to create the plan is a sound strategy.
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*You know that group or club your in.... what is it called again?
oh thats right i remember now, the Pnw4wda isn't it? right....
wasn't there supposed to be like 2,500 or closer to 5,000 Members in that club alone?
Wow... Wouldn't that send shock waves through the community to see all them members standing there in that picture your oh so bragging about.
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but the facts were, most of those guys there that day were motorcycle guys that had their **** together.
not even begining to stir the pot yet... but YES imagine the turn out if all the offroaders - took the time to "ALL" show up for the next meeting?
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And that day was more about - BACKYARD - riding on private property. i myself, at the time a ATV rider and property owner, was agains't the noise bill, same with the neighbors living next to the ORV park, Stradleline.
The park was there 1st, or exsisted before they bought or moved in next to it. either way, that day was about motos. I'm all for noise control, especially on motos. they do not need to be excessively loud. but the restrictions attempting to be implamented were outrages.
as a property owner, i respect my neighbors rights too. but with a atv no louder than a lawnmower - i felt that bill / restriction and kline needed to hear just how much. kline is a complete idiot, and i wish people like him were thrown in a trunk and drove to mexico and pimped in dark alley ways.
kline is a complete fawking idiot, and i feel sorry for the guy.
Do i hate being next to a harley at a stop light with a sleeping baby in my backseat? yes... cause i know the harley has a set of loud pipes. same with the kid in the honda too, but ya know what? i was young once too... and god damn if i didn't do the same ****. but kline needs a wake up call.
i'd like to lock him in a van stuffed with subwoofers and weld the doors shut.
The park was there 1st, or exsisted before they bought or moved in next to it. either way, that day was about motos. I'm all for noise control, especially on motos. they do not need to be excessively loud. but the restrictions attempting to be implamented were outrages.
as a property owner, i respect my neighbors rights too. but with a atv no louder than a lawnmower - i felt that bill / restriction and kline needed to hear just how much. kline is a complete idiot, and i wish people like him were thrown in a trunk and drove to mexico and pimped in dark alley ways.
kline is a complete fawking idiot, and i feel sorry for the guy.
Do i hate being next to a harley at a stop light with a sleeping baby in my backseat? yes... cause i know the harley has a set of loud pipes. same with the kid in the honda too, but ya know what? i was young once too... and god damn if i didn't do the same ****. but kline needs a wake up call.
i'd like to lock him in a van stuffed with subwoofers and weld the doors shut.
The PNW4WDA is not a club, It is an organization of clubs, some clubs are involved and others not so much.
I know....... i just get sick of hearing how the pnw4wda does so much...
The only one I/we ever hear is Pokey. There has to be others that do things too, right?
Seems like Pokey is the only one that really goes out on a limb and again, he or the others of the pnw4wda can say just 1 guy was representing so and so, but in the pic he so happened to throw out...
I think seeing - the entire membership of the pnw4wda would be a "WOW"
versus - there were more people at the elbe focus meeting. anyhow not trying to really stir the pot, but imagine.... everyone showing up to the steps that actually offroads?
that would strike a big note.
If you are tired of hearing about how much the PNW does then find a new hobby, because this hobby is all about what the PNW4WDA has done.
Go buy a quad or dirt bike and you will hear all about wohva. Besides most of the PNW4WDA does more work than web wheeling, that is why YOU haven't seen or heard them.
I think your missing my point
It's always pokey representing...
as far as the pnw4wda, yadda yadda...
the way he threw out that pic wasn't exactly accurate. and my :stirpot: is can you see where the IMPACT would of been if per'say all of WASHINGTON state offroaders did show up to be heard, like the elbe meeting. which wasn't everyone either... but made a BIG impact non the less.
And hopefully we can mend the impact that it had. :booo:
Um rich try a little reading comprehension (sp) I didnt say that it was the PNWs doing. We only played a part. My point to Binder was that complaining to the legeslature can and does work. BTW we were there for a valid reason not a made up or blown out of porportion(sp) one
the word you used was "WE"
you know where / what i'am getting at, You do alot - i never hear anyone push as much as you do... this isn't about me or webwheeling or stirring the pot.
I'am saying, - regardless of " MENDING " - people need to become involved, take part in these meetings, and step up if you / they want a opinion in such matters, that RALLY was well thought out. Too bad people who enjoy this hobby / sport - offroading - can't make time to come to these events at the Capitol Steps. that would really send a message that theres really alot of offroaders and we want to keep or protect our fair share of places to wheel.
ok, back to you..... :kiss:
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*(alot of times my wording is misunderstood)
I'am not sayign i'am sick of hearing all about the pnw4wda, i'm tired of hearing POKEY be the only one to represent it. it's like i said... if everyone could get on the same page, at least a little bit on the same page, WOW
every wonder just how many offroaders there are? *including the 4wd vehicle owners, thats alot. even though they might not include themselves, they own a 4wd vehicle. ----- funny thing, how many greenies do you think also own a 4wd vehicle? *
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that day - was hell for me, i started out and then ran into problems, just like now....... some pretty serious problems. *I'll be taking a backseat for awhile. most likely not returning at all. i guess thats why seem to be pushing for more people to get involved. everyone likes to offroad, many have different versions of what it is even. if more people come forward and voice their concerns, like that meeting that day... things get accomplished.
I have some pretty heavy stuff to deal with, you all take care & be safe.
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enough from me, just give Pokey a hand and help out when you can.
