evans creek issues

CHOP SHOP · Sep 30, 2010

Digger 5 said:
Stock Toyota front axle measurements for comparison:
55.5" wide, 29" spring perch centers, '79-85 Toyota trucks and 4runners, SA Hubs
'86-95 IFS front end is about 58.5" wide

Toyota Rear Axle Widths:

58" wide, '86-95 4wd trucks/4runners - 6 Lug]

98 percent of toyotas wheelers run these axles with a 4 inch backspace, 10 wide rim and 3 inches of wheel spacer too on a front axle to match the IFS rear style.

56 wide + 3 spacer + 12 for backspace + 3 for sidewalls = 74.

My toyota has 38.5x 16 wide swampers and is 73 wide with beadlocks, not measued at the bulge on bottom.

CHOP SHOP · Sep 30, 2010

beyatch said:
Chop Shop, The pictures you posted are of a POKER RUN so, yes there will be lots of jeeps! Sorry, but i am laughing....i remember seeing you there

And the funny part is one of the only jeeps we seen IN the trails that day was driven by a girl.:;

I was referencing that I see many weekends where 2-3 guys wheel in diverse rigs/groups and the jeepers tend to show up in huge numbers that look like they are the majority.

Also more nonwheeling folks and LEOs are around during these events making it look to them like the jeeps are the majority not the weekly users.

I dont have to tell you. You are in the local woods as much as me.:beer:

crash2 · Sep 30, 2010

CHOP SHOP said:
98 percent of toyotas wheelers run these axles with a 4 inch backspace, 10 wide rim and 3 inches of wheel spacer too on a front axle to match the IFS rear style.

56 wide + 3 spacer + 12 for backspace + 3 for sidewalls = 74.

My toyota has 38.5x 16 wide swampers and is 73 wide with beadlocks, not measued at the bulge on bottom.

I don't know a single person who runs a 4" backspaced wheel on a toy. They are either 3" or 2.5".

But thats a moot point as tony has told us how they are going to measure.

Deal with, break the law if you wish or abide by it--those are choices you will have to make...

Digger 5 · Sep 30, 2010

CHOP SHOP said:
98 percent of toyotas wheelers run these axles with a 4 inch backspace, 10 wide rim and 3 inches of wheel spacer too on a front axle to match the IFS rear style.

56 wide + 3 spacer + 12 for backspace + 3 for sidewalls = 74.

My toyota has 38.5x 16 wide swampers and is 73 wide with beadlocks, not measued at the bulge on bottom.

So, unless I'm missing something, which is certainly possible, even with adding the 3" Mike said most have with 2.5" BS, the OS tire would still only be 77".

CS- is this math correct? If is is, it means that the majority of Toys would be legal at Evans.

Digger 5 · Sep 30, 2010

BTW- 'Head Clucker'....That's funny!! *Sniff sniff* Smells like bacon....

crash2 · Sep 30, 2010

Digger 5 said:
BTW- 'Head Clucker'....That's funny!! *Sniff sniff* Smells like bacon....

extra crunchy....:redneck:

CHOP SHOP · Sep 30, 2010

Digger 5 said:
So, unless I'm missing something, which is certainly possible, even with adding the 3" Mike said most have with 2.5" BS, the OS tire would still only be 77".

CS- is this math correct? If is is, it means that the majority of Toys would be legal at Evans.

assuming the reg is 78-80. I think we all agree toyotas are not the issue.

Binder · Sep 30, 2010

CHOP SHOP said:
I think we all agree toyotas are not the issue.

Toyotas are ALWAYS an issue!:flipoff::kissmybutt:

CHOP SHOP · Sep 30, 2010

crash said:
I don't know a single person who runs a 4" backspaced wheel on a toy. They are either 3" or 2.5".

no **** huh? guesse we have never actually met, but I have 4 bs wheels on my rig.

I have a few other toyots here with 4 inch BS too. Just stating what I see each day.

Hell I even have a 4 inch BS wheel holding up my boat trailer jack.

Most common rim on toyotas is a (if splitting hairs) 3.5-3.75 BS.

2 is also out there but not common.

Hey JAWS, what offset where those 6 luggers ya just got from me? (3.75)

But its a moot point. Heres 5 trucks owned by nonwebwheelers in my driveway with 4 BS.

except the boat trailer, I dont really wheel it. :beer:

hlb3 · Sep 30, 2010

CHOP SHOP said:
no **** huh? guesse we have never actually met, but I have 4 bs wheels on my rig.

I have a few other toyots here with 4 inch BS too. Just stating what I see each day.

Hell I even have a 4 inch BS wheel holding up my boat trailer jack.

Most common rim on toyotas is a (if splitting hairs) 3.5-3.75 BS.

2 is also out there but not common.

Hey JAWS, what offset where those 6 luggers ya just got from me? (3.75)

But its a moot point. Heres 5 trucks owned by nonwebwheelers in my driveway with 4 BS.

except the boat trailer, I dont really wheel it. :beer:

I run a 15x8 (with Bobby's beadlocks) with 3.75" BS on my Cruiser. With a 36x12.50 TSL, I'm right at 72"...

Its really not hard to stay in the low-mid 70's with Toyota axles.

crash2 · Sep 30, 2010

CHOP SHOP said:
no **** huh? guesse we have never actually met, but I have 4 bs wheels on my rig.

I have a few other toyots here with 4 inch BS too. Just stating what I see each day.

Hell I even have a 4 inch BS wheel holding up my boat trailer jack.

Most common rim on toyotas is a (if splitting hairs) 3.5-3.75 BS.

2 is also out there but not common.

Hey JAWS, what offset where those 6 luggers ya just got from me? (3.75)

But its a moot point. Heres 5 trucks owned by nonwebwheelers in my driveway with 4 BS.

except the boat trailer, I dont really wheel it. :beer:

I really don't care what folks run--thats there own opinion. I really don't care what I see other folks run. I know what I run and thats all that matters--and the fact of the matter I won't be legal to run Evans anymore plain and simple...

Digger 5 · Sep 30, 2010

Are you close enough that you could slide through with different backspacing? (Assuming an 80" reg)

crash2 · Sep 30, 2010

Digger 5 said:
Are you close enough that you could slide through with different backspacing? (Assuming an 80" reg)

I could but my coilovers are built around the wheel backspacing on the rears and I would dig pretty hard into them if I went narrower.

Jay Luke · Sep 30, 2010

crash said:
I really don't care what folks run--thats there own opinion. I really don't care what I see other folks run. I know what I run and thats all that matters--and the fact of the matter I won't be legal to run Evans anymore plain and simple...

Is that a rule you will break? I mean I know we're talking Evans here so it's not like we go there a lot anyway. But, what if you really wanted to go wheel there. Are you staying home instead? Your rig doesn't look that wide. I doubt if you'd get hassled. Doesn't everyone think that this rule is more for the "yocals" running their "muddin" rigs through the tight trails??? I see this rule being imposed more on the full size rigs and the rigs with the massively over sized tires. Maybe I'm wrong. I may never know cause I'll probably never go:silly15:

Corey Y · Sep 30, 2010

Digger 5 said:
You're right, no single poll is valid. The only way you could get accurate numbers is trailhead surveys. A compilation of polls from various sites would be better but, even then, poll numbers wouldn't accurately reflect the actual users of the trails.

I agree. Someone should ask Bob Pacific how many vehicles he has measured at Evans Creek ORV trail system before he made his decision. I bet I know the answer.

Roccrawler · Sep 30, 2010

All i see here is we are not fighting as a community again and we are loosing ground and more restrictions being enforced, its jeepers against everyone else. Im sure it would be different if they said..

80" and NO JEEPS allowed at Evans.... then what :corn:

boardbysled · Sep 30, 2010

Roccrawler said:
All i see here is we are not fighting as a community again and we are loosing ground and more restrictions being enforced, its jeepers against everyone else. Im sure it would be different if they said..

The thing is, its perceived like this, that the "Jeepers" want to exclude some people from the trail system. At least thats how I see it perceived. Not saying that I see it like that, but, I think much of the general populous of wheelers do.

Roccrawler said:
80" and NO JEEPS allowed at Evans.... then what :corn:

Personally, I'd laugh my ass off.

crash2 · Sep 30, 2010

Jay Luke said:
Is that a rule you will break?

Nope.....

NotSoPC · Sep 30, 2010

Roccrawler said:
80" and NO JEEPS allowed at Evans.... then what :corn:

Not to say it would be right but it would be funny for a second (then you would see it closed cause with out jeeps everyone else thinks it wont get wheeled). My Zuki will be under the 72" but not by much (lookin like 71":fawkdancesmiley

No one I know with a YJ/XJ/TJ will be able to wheel it. 80" would let more in but would keep out a lot of people still. I have no issue with fullsize rigs on the trail but when I see rigs on rockwells and 53" tires running up the banks cause they cant turn for **** it helps me like a width restriction. I think it would be a better idea (not that it would ever happen) to have a width restriction from trail to trail. Some would be narrow and others would be wider for fullsize rigs. Just my .02 cents

Corey Y · Sep 30, 2010

NotSoPC said:
I think it would be a better idea (not that it would ever happen) to have a width restriction from trail to trail. Some would be narrow and others would be wider for fullsize rigs. Just my .02 cents

:cheer: