I agree John, I told Brennan the same this morning. This ride was a cluster for three main reasons: we did not do enough research on the distance of Wooly's/Mayhem, we changed one of the venues, we changed the dates. Live and learn. Realize that it is hard as hell to plan a ride to a single venue, much less two in two days. I need help planning rides, this is not something that I can do on my own all the time. I hope members of the club will step up and chip in in the future so we can handle the planning as a group. Planning rides where we have never been is a crapshot, a lot of things have to happen to make it perfect. Tellico went off without a htich because we pay in advance. My vote is to handle all future rides of distance the same way. If Brennan and I go it will be for just the day on Saturday.