So back in the 1970s and 80s there were no mudholes or erosion on the trails?
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72" wide width restriction at Evans Creek?
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So back in the 1970s and 80s there were no mudholes or erosion on the trails?
Yes there were mud holes thats a no brainer But and its a HUGE BUT the enviromental laws and rules were nothing like they are today. I would even have to say we had a LOT more muddy places to play but as the rules tightend up over the years its gotten harder and harder to comply so they just went away and were locked off. If we want to keep what we have left then we have to play withen the rules.
CHOP SHOP
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so what your saying is that trail damage was just as bad or worse back in the day, just like it is now.
Why blame width and tire size? I mean, how did guys trash stuff back then? They had little tires and skinny little ol flatty, right?
The mud wasnt a issue back then like it is now. everybody was pretty much equal vehicle wise so you didnt see the bypasses like you do now days. Seems like people had a LOT more respect for the trails and rules then they do nowdays as well.:booo:
Again the rules(enviromental) of the game have changed we need to change with them or loose out entirerly. Its really just that simple
crash2
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The big issue is the fact that the powers that be---controlling factors of our lands still live to old standards and have not changed with the sport.
Until we can get those old school standards changed and up to todays standards we will be faced with issues like these.
Until we can get those old school standards changed and up to todays standards we will be faced with issues like these.
Not true at all. If it was then we could still drive anywhere we wanted to. They are evolving to deal with the new laws and regulations that govern them.
crash2
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If thats true then why are they going back to the standards of when it was created? The sport has changed drasticly since evans was built.
Because thats when the original studies (EA, nepa) were done. To make major changes to the system they could very well have to go thru a entire new EA and quite honestly we would no longer have a park because if constructed today it wouldnt even come close to passing by todays standards.
454k30
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I like the idea of having a "gatekeeper" like obstacle toward the beginning of the trail. Having lived and wheeled in both Colorado and SoCal I can honestly say that one of their biggest problems is that stock-ish vehicles can get too far into fairly technical trails. Often they get into a point of no return and can not turn around. They then get stuck or broken trying to get out. Often the drivers are left stranded or on a busy day the trails get log jammed with rigs waiting for the stuck to clear. If putting in such an obstacle meens that it has to be built back from the parking lot then so be it. Due to the rig I'm running I don't care for width restrictions. Obviously they keep wide vehicles like mine out but they also stop anyone with full width axles from fitting too. I'm not saying that the trails should be wide enough for a competitive monster truck either.
A gate keeper should test the capabilities of the vehicle and driver, not let unprepared vehicles on the trail that cause damage. The abandoned/rolled/wrecked/stripped/vandalized Jeep Cherokee that I removed from the gulley with a torch and sawzall was under 72" wide and should have never been on the trail. Width gatekeepers would let that guy in but keep me out. But who helps keep the place open?
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longfield
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Dame 72 wide. Hell can't even take the wifes stock Rubicon its 77 wide. I was hoping to take it on the trails sence the do gooders turn it into HWY's so i guess we are out of luck.
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longfield
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Damnyankee
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Can't do that, unless the tires don't extend past the body line, which doesn't include those bolt on fenders.
You can thank a WAC and an RCW combination for that one. One requires track width, the other requires not beyond the body, which my understanding on jeeps, does not include our rubber/nylon/whatever fender flares.
Damnyankee
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wich on the JK's is about 8 or 10 inches of fender flare.
wheeler4x4samota
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OMG:haha::haha::haha::awesomework:
we need to install some coilovers and winches
we need to install some coilovers and winches
whos recomendation :eeek:
