AWORC - Naches Pass Trail Run Report (July 21st, 2007)

skrause · Jul 23, 2007

benw said:
It was like that when I ran that section 3 years ago. Even then it looked like it had been there for a long time already. You must be thinking of a different spot.

Must be.

Ceg · Jul 23, 2007

skrause said:
And I drove through there on the redeye run just before it closed up for the winter. Just because someone blazed a new illegal trail does not mean it's open. You know that. Naches has been getting hammered in the past couple years, the east end of the trail is starting to resemble Tahuya. There are people trying to close that trail, don't give them more ammunition.

Were does it say that isn't part of the trail? If it is not, it should be posted or mounded up like the walking part of the trail that is the next section. We ran this same trail last July and it looked the same as it did this year. No sign until the next section.

skrause · Jul 23, 2007

go back and read my last few posts.:kissmyass:

Ceg · Jul 23, 2007

skrause said:
go back and read my last few posts.:kissmyass:

I was typing when you posted.

skrause · Jul 23, 2007

It took you a whole 3 minutes to type that? :silly15: :;

Karl must be wrong. The area I'm talking about looks nothing like that as of last year but has the opportunity if some asshat decides to cut it out.

Ceg · Jul 23, 2007

skrause said:
It took you a whole 3 minutes to type that? :silly15: :;

Yes, because of my dial up has a hard time loading some times plus I am Wheeler, not good typist.

This took a while to post because I got kicked off line.

Symon623 · Jul 23, 2007

Ceg said:
Come over of you want to see the other 90 pics of Saturday.

To take my own damn pics? and wheel the trails? :booo:

:booo:

KarlVP · Jul 23, 2007

skrause said:
It took you a whole 3 minutes to type that? :silly15: :;

Karl must be wrong. The area I'm talking about looks nothing like that as of last year but has the opportunity if some asshat decides to cut it out.

Are you talking about the area at the EXTREME end of the trail. Essentially you go down one big hill, cross a road, and then there is another dropoff, you can go down that to another road. Then there IS a blocked off area that leads to where they lowered the wagons off that cliff back in the day.

Here are my mad ms paint skills. If we were in the wrong (which I don't think we were), than whomever controls that trail needs to have a work partay to block that section off and sign it. If there is a work partay for it, I would be more than happy to attend.

skrause · Jul 23, 2007

KarlVP said:
Are you talking about the area at the EXTREME end of the trail. Essentially you go down one big hill, cross a road, and then there is another dropoff, you can go down that to another road. Then there IS a blocked off area that leads to where they lowered the wagons off that cliff back in the day.

Here are my mad ms paint skills. If we were in the wrong (which I don't think we were), than whomever controls that trail needs to have a work partay to block that section off and sign it. If there is a work partay for it, I would be more than happy to attend.

The extreme west end of the trail is signed no motorized use, foot and horse only. As you drive up road 70 you cross this section of the trail, take a fork to the left leaving 70 and turn a hairpin left, and then come to the steep climb on your right where the little naches starts. This is the climb I thought you were referring to. As you go up it cuts sharply to the right and then wraps back around to the left with some rocky sections. You could concievably cut straight up past the climb instead of following the trail to the right, and that is what it looked like in your picture. I cannot for the life of me picture where else on the trail that those pics could be. 9 months seems to be beyond the capability of my memory now, I must be getting old. :redneck:

sadly, that section you marked "where pics were taken" might be what I'm talking about. It is not open to 4x4 use, the signs keep getting knocked down.

skrause · Jul 23, 2007

Horses mouth on where the trail is closed to 4x4 year round

http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/mbs/recreation/activities/trails/snrd/snrd_1175.htm

7065 is the fork with switchback I'm talking about.

skrause · Jul 23, 2007

Here's a good map, you can see the dotted line denoting the foot trail on the usgs quad. The blue line is the lower or little naches trail.

http://www.nwjeepn.com/Maps/Lwrnaches.pdf

KarlVP · Jul 23, 2007

skrause said:
The extreme west end of the trail is signed no motorized use, foot and horse only. As you drive up road 70 you cross this section of the trail, take a fork to the left leaving 70 and turn a hairpin left, and then come to the steep climb on your right where the little naches starts. This is the climb I thought you were referring to. As you go up it cuts sharply to the right and then wraps back around to the left with some rocky sections. You could concievably cut straight up past the climb instead of following the trail to the right, and that is what it looked like in your picture. I cannot for the life of me picture where else on the trail that those pics could be. 9 months seems to be beyond the capability of my memory now, I must be getting old. :redneck:

sadly, that section you marked "where pics were taken" might be what I'm talking about. It is not open to 4x4 use, the signs keep getting knocked down.

Yup, after veiwing this map, it appears we WERE in the wrong. Bummer too, as that was the best part.

http://www.nwjeepn.com/Maps/Lwrnaches.pdf

skrause · Jul 23, 2007

KarlVP said:
Yup, after veiwing this map, it appears we WERE in the wrong.

http://www.nwjeepn.com/Maps/Lwrnaches.pdf

I'm going to head out there this coming weekend and clear it up for sure. But now that we've figured out this much, that section has been closed for as long as I've wheeled that trail. Not as long as some of you but over 10 years. I am 100% certain that someone on that run knew that. The signs come and go, but you need to know where you are. Just because there isn't a sign doesn't mean it's open. No excuses.

Ceg · Jul 24, 2007

skrause said:
I am 100% certain that someone on that run knew that.

This is such BS! You are out of line! NO one knew this was closed. For it not to be blocked off and nothing marked it can be confusing. There are a lot of road crossings coming down this trail. We stopped at the end where it said not to go. We tread lightly. You have no right to jump our **** and call us liers. I am pissed that you would say we broke any rules knowingly or tore up anything.

Next time you might educate us on closed trails instead of jumping us.

skrause said:
The signs come and go, but you need to know where you are. Just because there isn't a sign doesn't mean it's open. No excuses.

You have never been lost? Kiss my ass!

CentralGrand · Jul 24, 2007

skrause said:
I'm going to head out there this coming weekend and clear it up for sure. But now that we've figured out this much, that section has been closed for as long as I've wheeled that trail. Not as long as some of you but over 10 years. I am 100% certain that someone on that run knew that. The signs come and go, but you need to know where you are. Just because there isn't a sign doesn't mean it's open. No excuses.

I gotta call bullshit as well. I've wheeled with this group and they all are responsible on the trail. If you knew anything about EWOR/AWORC you'd have a clue. ... Unless you're ****in Jesus and have never made a mistake be easy on aqusations like that.

KarlVP · Jul 24, 2007

skrause said:
I'm going to head out there this coming weekend and clear it up for sure. But now that we've figured out this much, that section has been closed for as long as I've wheeled that trail. Not as long as some of you but over 10 years. I am 100% certain that someone on that run knew that. The signs come and go, but you need to know where you are. Just because there isn't a sign doesn't mean it's open. No excuses.

Um dude. If EWOR knew something was closed, they wouldn't be on it. They follow the trail rules to a T and are great stewards for our sport.

And I've seen past runs from a few groups that include that spot on thier ride. It TOTALLY looks like part of the trail. It isn't a bypass for something, it is WELL used, and there are no signs, or obvious shoe flys.

I'll bet that the majority of wheelers, drive that last 100 yards of trail. I checked the map, and yes it is not on the map. But whomever is the Custodian for that area, better let the FS know what is going on. With the amount of work done on the naches trail, ALONG with the closeurs, I find it hard to believe that that part isn't maintained better.

****, I'll let the FS know what is going on tomorrow. And get an answer back from them.

PUO-BANNED · Jul 24, 2007

WTF who's this Kraut Guy?

Not everyone has a MAP or High dollar GPS .

CentralGrand · Jul 24, 2007

pullUout said:
WTF who's this Kraut Guy?

Not everyone has a MAP or High dollar GPS .

:cheer: :fawkdancesmiley: :cheer: :fawkdancesmiley:

skrause · Jul 24, 2007

For all of you getting butt hurt over this, you're just proving me right by reacting like that. If you didnt' know you were in the wrong just admit it and apologize. No need to get all defensive.