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Elbe on the chopping block?

This state has a serious fiscal problem and I don't think the legislators consider ohv's mandatory services....
 
japerry said:
This is all very simple. Privatization. Make walker private. Make elbe private. What would be interesting is if someone did a study with funny money performing collection at elbe and walker for a weekend. It'd also be a good chance to see how effective collection could be.

See how much money they make in the weekend and what the responses of the users are.

If its enough money in a weekend or two that could be extrapolated into a sustainable fund for that area, I'd pitch that to DNR and see what we could do.
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I think you would find the daily fee amazingly high in order to make a fund for an ORV park sustainable. But that's just my gut feel, I'de have to go find the usage figures, as well as the maintenance figures I don't already know to rough that one out.
 
Bill said:
This state has a serious fiscal problem and I don't think the legislators consider ohv's mandatory services....
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If the DNR is facing a similar cut to what they did in 2009, I'm going to wager that if we can keep Tahuya, Walker, and Elbe. Reiter and Sadie are gone.

Sadie because of size and lack of usage compared to the other three.

Reiter because it's already closed and anything to do with it represents a new expense, not a maintaining one.
 
Travis said:
I think you would find the daily fee amazingly high in order to make a fund for an ORV park sustainable. But that's just my gut feel, I'de have to go find the usage figures, as well as the maintenance figures I don't already know to rough that one out.
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Its successful in most other parts of the country, especially the south east. Usually its a 10-20/car/day deal with some having annual passes of $150-$250.

With walker, it'd require a substantial increase in the amount of 4x4 trail.. Elbe not as much, since its already pretty good for 4x4s (although they too could use more mileage).

Walker would do ok if it had a ~200k/yr budget. It'd pay for an E&E and Maintenance person + some funds for capitol projects and raw materials. Thats about 10,000 visits a year at $20 or 20k visits at $10. Both aren't out of the realm of possibility, especially if the place was larger.
 
Bill said:
a success story of a club getting a Grant-in-Aids trail
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wow I'm flipping through the thread and this looks awesome! Trying to find where they talk about spending 2million dollars for creating ~8 miles of a loop trail :stirpot:
 
japerry said:
wow I'm flipping through the thread and this looks awesome! Trying to find where they talk about spending 2million dollars for creating ~8 miles of a loop trail :stirpot:
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:fawkdancesmiley:

hard work from all the members of the club I belong too there..minimal handouts
 
we get grant money for hours worked, helps us pay for some of the insurance and we have a sponsor which helps but the big thing is the members, loggers, equipment operators, hard working SOB's....most of them are hardy north woods types who love wheeling
 
a few groups tried doing this but we are the only ones experiencing success...I think it is the way we handled the whole project...first we needed an area that was good for a trail and a local comunity that was full behind it for obvious reasons...for those of you who don't know it is economics.
we gps-ed the trail alignment countless times in all 4 seasons...had it taken from us a few times...delayed countless times but finnaly after there were no more reasons the dnr could come up with it was a go
 
Bill said:
we get grant money for hours worked, helps us pay for some of the insurance and we have a sponsor which helps but the big thing is the members, loggers, equipment operators, hard working SOB's....most of them are hardy north woods types who love wheeling
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ahh just found it for FY 2010:

Type ORV
Trail Mesabi Mountain
Sponsor Gilbert, City of
Miles 8
Cost $48,845

Thats not bad for 8 miles of trail. Not sure how much was in FY09 though... all in all, I'm going to guess its between $60-$100k total to get this trail done, not including volunteer labor.
 
Eeek! 13 YEARS this trail was in planning+construction.. Half my LIFETIME! And who said Reiter would be sorta ready next year?
 
zukkev said:
In otherwords, it didn't happen overnight....right?
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most of the time was spent getting the dnr to move on their obligations....forestry, hydrolicic sp, wildlife etc...the corp of engeneers was even in there
 
oh yeah and we had to deal with the crabbiest phucking town on the planet...Gilbert MN...long ass story people but it is possible
 


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