Walker, Ron's Run Re-route....

[zukkev]

You took it too far......I never once said "nothing should be done". I'm saying that blocking a by-pass (with logs) on a hard trail is pointless. You don't think it is pointless. I wish you would see that it is.

You tried plan A....it doesn't work. Time to try plan B.

Never said you said 'nothing should be done'....
For plan B??? Well, I did state that there were ideas thrown around....I also said that we can't act on them until such time as we're allowed to. Until then we work within our boundaries and do what we can....If you have a better, more permanent non-intrusive idea, I started another thread...

 

[crash2]

Mike.....when in the history of metaphoric examples has ANYONE said yes to this?

You went from supporting blocking the by-pass with logs to opposing paving the existing trail. Bigdog and I are focused on the by-pass.......not the trail itself. The trail is fine, I think we can all agree on that.

But if you make a paved bypass then a 2wd can bypass everything.

For the record I am not centering on this one instance but as a whole.

What happens when this happens to another spot and another.

 

[99redtj]

logs don't work for blocking trails,they just get moved and cut up. signs need to be used.


logs never worked at reiter and they are not going to work at walker.

there needs to be a by pass but not up the middle of the swale,dnr doesn't want us up the middle of the swale

 

[zukkev]

I will say this, if no effort was made by the volunteers to try and keep folks on the original line, this whole section of trail would have been closed long ago....and nobody wants that, do they?

 

[Money Mark]

People will create a bypass for many reasons.. You see more for looking for a "harder" line than an easy one.

Good, Now that you admit by-passes are essentially unavoidable, you can see the need of turning down the idea of blocking the by-pass and pick up the idea of incorporation. Incorporation of that bypass (or some by-pass) into the trail itself.

 

[Money Mark]

I will say this, if no effort was made by the volunteers to try and keep folks on the original line, this whole section of trail would have been closed long ago....and nobody wants that, do they?

Propaganda Fear Mongering Bullshit!!! How dare you.

 

[crash2]

Good, Now that you admit by-passes are essentially unavoidable, you can see the need of turning down the idea of blocking the by-pass and pick up the idea of incorporation. Incorporation of that bypass (or some by-pass) into the trail itself.

Noo-close it....

 

[Money Mark]

What happens when this happens to another spot and another.

You've already conformed it will.....because it will. Natural progression. A happy medium is always found though.....always will be.

 

[crash2]

You've already conformed it will.....because it will. Natural progression. A happy medium is always found though.....always will be.

So you want every trail to turn into sac up

 

[Money Mark]

Noo-close it....

You can't Mike. :eeek:You've already agreed to the implication that it (blocking it) doesn't work.

 

[crash2]

You can't Mike. :eeek:You've already agreed to the implication that it (blocking it) doesn't work.

Block it with large rocks :awesomework:

 

[Money Mark]

So you want every trail to turn into sac up

You're attempt at comparison doesn't work.

And Sac-up is the perfect example of it (blockades) not working. Wheeler's dictated where the trail went.......and you had no control over it. Yet you have disillusioned yourself into thinking you can control this one.

Really?

 

[99redtj]

that part of the trail when built was that hard.the ground in front of the logs has gotten deeper and needs to be fixed.

 

[Money Mark]

Block it with large rocks :awesomework:

Block it with a cool obstacle? Sounds good to me. And you know what happens next.......it's a part of the trail now.

By all means.....rock away. Just don't try and sell the "logs work" BS.

 

[zukkev]

Block it with large rocks :awesomework:

Which means LARGE equipment...bigger than we have at our disposal. Also, large rocks won't be the total solution....there will be folks that see that as temptation (an obstacle), and run (or attempt to run) over them...and on they go up the swale if they get past them....some sort of blockage, along with signs seems to be the best answer at this point...

 

[Money Mark]

Transfer all our banter over here.:hi: and then delete my post here.

Good discussion.

 

[zukkev]

that part of the trail when built wasn't that hard.the ground in front of the logs has gotten deeper and needs to be fixed.

Fixed!:redneck:
But yeah, the trail evolved (as one would expect...);This trail needs work to be completed...and the one spot that's currently in the spotlight needs some attention...but we can't do anything to it yet!!!! It's been stated before in other threads---this trail's NOT finished...
I'll say it again, something should be done, but the current bypass is not currently an option.... (EDIT)....legally....

 

[Money Mark]

And to clarify, my gripe is not with the by-pass. It is with the manner in which the by-pass is blocked. It is suggested that logs be used for this by-pass blockade. History shows, logs used for a blockade is undeniably ineffective and a waste of time and efforts by volunteers.

I would like to come to an agreement that logs will not be considered a valid option by those volunteers doing the work. And the group leaders must recognize that further promotion of using logs to create a blockade is misleading as to the goal of the (or any) work-party.

 

[crash2]

Block it with a cool obstacle? Sounds good to me. And you know what happens next.......it's a part of the trail now.

By all means.....rock away. Just don't try and sell the "logs work" BS.

Yes/no. I have seen logs work (and a number still remain) but you simply cannot throw a log there and call it good--that does not work. Also location plays a role in how and what you use to close something down--aka never next to a road.

I don't agree logs don't work--I do agree a log just thrown there won't work.

 

[zukkev]

It IS a good discussion...:awesomework: I just didn't want to murder the run thread---too late! :redneck:
What do you propose as a more permanent solution to blocking the bypass Mark? There is only so much we have at our disposal up there to effectively make an attempt to keep people on the right path...unfortunately what's there are logs/stumps/etc... Signs were brought up, and I think it's a good idea, but who's to say someone doesn't just yank them out? Granted they are easy to replace, but....