Walker Valley Jeep Cross staging Party

[boardbysled]

O an I am still awaitin my PM:fawkdancesmiley:

 

[japerry]

yah yah yah.. hold ur horses. shoot I have to find some food over here too. with out getting ass raped by the guys next door at 'rawhide' :eeek:

 

[Oil can]

I gots chaps! You can borrow them:awesomework:

sweet i will count on it!!!!!!:; thanks. see you then:awesomework:

 

[zukkev]

so did we figure out who is in charge yet... i am planning on building a new trail or prep work for a new trail is that still the case or have plans changed over this whole contacting people at DNR people freaking out about colverts... i can't make the meeting on tuesday so fill me in here.

my understanding was that this trail was going to be difficult for rigs like mine (38+ tire) at some point Japerry posted so pics said he had this in mind now im seeing kevin talk about DNR guidlines with Mark so wahts up have plans changed are we building a trail or clearing a path to utilize the old trail

First off, this is technically a reroute, and should not be worded as a 'new trail'....There are reasons why that I won't go into at this time, so please just roll with it.:awesomework:
And yes, the push will be for portions of said reroute to have more difficult lines, for rigs that are well-equipped...Not likely that the entire project will be designed for rigs such as yours, portions yes (very likely)...the entire reroute, highly doubtful.

 

[Money Mark]

5 idea's that are within DNR guidelines:

Multiple keyed-in logs (maximum available size) angled (45 degrees?) to the direction of travel.

"Man-sized" rocks in correspondence to the keyed logs, that will create a secondary obstacle. (tires climb a log and rock at the same time)

Switch-back turns that require the driver to think carefully or will require a back-up/reverse to negotiate.

"Bumps" and terrace-like sections of the trail. Example: dig into the earth 3 feet deep and 8 feet long, and pile that earth/dirt in front or behind the hole just dug; creating a 6 foot deep and 16 foot long obstacle. Like Humps and Bumps, without the "mogul rythum".....more staggered, less predictable.

Purposely built/routed sections that are 20+ degrees of sidehill/sideslope.

 

[Horus]

5 idea's that are within DNR guidelines:

Multiple keyed-in logs (maximum available size) angled (45 degrees?) to the direction of travel.

"Man-sized" rocks in correspondence to the keyed logs, that will create a secondary obstacle. (tires climb a log and rock at the same time)

Switch-back turns that require the driver to think carefully or will require a back-up/reverse to negotiate.

"Bumps" and terrace-like sections of the trail. Example: dig into the earth 3 feet deep and 8 feet long, and pile that earth/dirt in front or behind the hole just dug; creating a 6 foot deep and 16 foot long obstacle. Like Humps and Bumps, without the "mogul rythum".....more staggered, less predictable.

All great ideas. At Elbe we were able to build some very challenging sections with built in bypasses on the Rainier Vista trail. Both the upper and lower sections of the trail pull this off beautifully. It is much easier to get volunteers on board for such projects when there will be a payoff in the form of a trail section featuring modern difficulty levels.

Sweating and laboring away for another flat crushed rock path, not so much.

 

[The_Shocker]

5 idea's that are within DNR guidelines:

Multiple keyed-in logs (maximum available size) angled (45 degrees?) to the direction of travel.

"Man-sized" rocks in correspondence to the keyed logs, that will create a secondary obstacle. (tires climb a log and rock at the same time)

Switch-back turns that require the driver to think carefully or will require a back-up/reverse to negotiate.

"Bumps" and terrace-like sections of the trail. Example: dig into the earth 3 feet deep and 8 feet long, and pile that earth/dirt in front or behind the hole just dug; creating a 6 foot deep and 16 foot long obstacle. Like Humps and Bumps, without the "mogul rythum".....more staggered, less predictable.

Purposely built/routed sections that are 20+ degrees of sidehill/sideslope.

Where did you find DNR's guidlines for 4x4 trail construction? Maybe it would help to share those with people so we understand what we are up against.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

Where did you find DNR's guidlines for 4x4 trail construction? Maybe it would help to share those with people so we understand what we are up against.

Sadly enough that is a region by region decision. What is acceptable in the NW region my not be in the SW region. or vice versa.

BTW the pissing match going on here is exactly why we always have a hard time getting what we want. Personally I could give a crap who's in charge of what as long as it is within what DNR will allow. Not adhering to their guidelines etc. will do nothing but create problems and make it harder to get things done.

One last thought, as you all piss and moan and and post more information that needs to be posted, keep in mind there are eyes on this board that are not friendly towards us. So remember that when you expose our Achilles heal. See ya'll at the meeting tonight.

 

[Duck Dodgers]

As far as who is what when and where on this "Re-Route", we'll find out tonight at the Walker Valley Focus meeting. That way those who are really in charge will give there "Official" input.


And Jake..... this is the west side of Washington State. We are lucky to get what we get. If you want more extreme them maybe you should move to Cali, or Utah. Move closer to Moab or one of the more extreme locations. As much as I would like to see that kind of wheeling here in the land of libs and tree huggers, I doubt if we will ever see anything like it. At least not on a large scale. IMHO

Oh yeah, Crash...:awesomework:

 

[japerry]

And Jake..... this is the west side of Washington State. We are lucky to get what we get. If you want more extreme them maybe you should move to Cali, or Utah. Move closer to Moab or one of the more extreme locations. As much as I would like to see that kind of wheeling here in the land of libs and tree huggers, I doubt if we will ever see anything like it. At least not on a large scale

Oh yeah, Crash...:awesomework:

I won't rest until we have 100miles of varying difficulty trail at walker valley. It can happen but the 4x4 community has to first be onboard .

 

[boardbysled]

...As far as oversight goes, Elyse knows my master plan, and trusts that we won't do anything to jeopardize that. I'll be working on the rocks, while Kevin and Jacob will be leading the brush clearing segment

Whoa whoa whoa, I ain't leadin ****.:fawkdancesmiley: I will not accept that responsability, I'm just another strong back with a weak mind.

 

[zukkev]

Whoa whoa whoa, I ain't leadin ****.:fawkdancesmiley: I'm just another strong back with a weak mind.

You sound alot like unclestripey!!!:redneck::haha:

 

[boardbysled]

5 idea's that are within DNR guidelines:

Multiple keyed-in logs (maximum available size) angled (45 degrees?) to the direction of travel.

"Man-sized" rocks in correspondence to the keyed logs, that will create a secondary obstacle. (tires climb a log and rock at the same time)

Switch-back turns that require the driver to think carefully or will require a back-up/reverse to negotiate.

"Bumps" and terrace-like sections of the trail. Example: dig into the earth 3 feet deep and 8 feet long, and pile that earth/dirt in front or behind the hole just dug; creating a 6 foot deep and 16 foot long obstacle. Like Humps and Bumps, without the "mogul rythum".....more staggered, less predictable.

Purposely built/routed sections that are 20+ degrees of sidehill/sideslope.

To get this thread somewhat back on track, I like these idea's Money. The hardest one would be to get DNR on board with would be the sidehill. I like the idea of a "stair step" Luckly with this area, we have many logs to work with, with many of them in the 16 to 20" range. I was thinking kinda like this

I also like your idea of throwing in a couple 45* logs. That could make it tough as ****.

I also like the idea of making the few corners that we do have to make, make em off camber (via rock, mounded dirt, etc) that tips you into a tree/stump/rock, and make em a TIGHT corner.

 

[boardbysled]

Nope . Not good enough . I won't rest until we have 100miles of varying difficulty trail at walker valley. It can happen but the 4x4 community has to first be onboard .

Hows the airlplane food?:fawkdancesmiley:

You sound alot like unclestripey!!!:redneck::haha:

I'll be there to give my opinion as a 4x4 ORV user and a future Forester. I'm also good at pickin up sticks.:redneck:

O and I forgot to say, There will be no dirt moved this weekend!!! Sticks/logs/rocks(maybe) will be moved, but no actual trail building! This is to prep for next weekend and future work parties!

 

[Money Mark]

Where did you find DNR's guidlines for 4x4 trail construction? Maybe it would help to share those with people so we understand what we are up against.

Speculated with the knowledge and insight I have been privy to.

The 20 degree sideslope is pushing it......but doable.

 

[nowires]

While I understand you must stay within the requirements and guidelines set forth by the DNR......What will you be doing to ensure "we" get the biggest bang for our buck?

What I'm asking is, will you be overseeing this re-route project be done with a certain degree of difficulty in mind?

He needs to slow down if he wants this trail to be good. we are working on the specs for trails right now that we ( the users ) will like. This will have guidelines for trails up to 50% grade climbs without going to engineering. Vertical climb specs, side slope specs, articulation specs

I personally think that the large rock in the video are not out of the question, but a solid plan needs to be put into place for the trail before work starts involving all users of the area

Jacob I would try and hook up with mauler or binder and have them look at your ideas before you do anything. And listen to them. There is a difference between trail layout and construction to satisfy all users and they know there ****. You have the chance to build something totally cool. PLEASE don

 

[Duck Dodgers]

When you know, will you tell us or will it be another secret?

Here's a concept, show up to the meeting then you will know first hand......:fawkdancesmiley::awesomework:

 

[Duck Dodgers]

He needs to slow down if he wants this trail to be good. we are working on the specs for trails right now that we ( the users ) will like. This will have guidelines for trails up to 50% grade climbs without going to engineering. Vertical climb specs, side slope specs, articulation specs

I personally think that the large rock in the video are not out of the question, but a solid plan needs to be put into place for the trail before work starts involving all users of the area

Jacob I would try and hook up with mauler or binder and have them look at your ideas before you do anything. And listen to them. There is a difference between trail layout and construction to satisfy all users and they know there ****. You have the chance to build something totally cool. PLEASE don

 

[trxguy]

i couldn't make the meeting (price of having young kids) so whats the plans did everyone get their ducks in a row as to who is doing what and what it is that we are doing

 

[zukkev]

i couldn't make the meeting (price of having young kids) so whats the plans did everyone get their ducks in a row as to who is doing what and what it is that we are doing

Yes, and the plan from earlier about bringing your truck/trailer??? Bring it!!!:awesomework: Japerry will be overseeing the rockhauling duties...:awesomework: need your toyota for dragging off rocks from the trailers at the landing, it's got a winch, right???:corn:
Myself and boardbysled will be working on the corridor clearing...Gonna be a long day...