Width Restrictions

pokey · Oct 22, 2007

Digger 5 said:
Has anyone heard anything more about proposed tire size limitation? The last I heard was something about 33's and 35's.

some rumblings. Our state director has brought the subject up to the delegates with the direction of "take it back and discuss with your clubs" The topic will come up again at our state meeting in jan. and at winter convention in feb. Her point is to be proactve if and when the topic comes up with the FS.

Digger 5 · Oct 22, 2007

Thanks Jim.

Wildman1 · Oct 23, 2007

Originally Posted by longfield
did get tired of hearing guys like you snivel and bitch all the time.

no excuses said:
kinda like this thread

Funny, so when this question comes up at a meeting we all should just turn around and not say a thing?

Someone made the comment that this is going to happen sometime or soemthing like this. So maybe if we have discussed it already we can be proactive?? What is the problem with asking and about this stuff? I would rather have it talked about now. Just because it is something your not wanting and don't like doesn't mean it can't happen.

I asked this question because I am curious as to what others felt.

68jeepsterkid · Oct 23, 2007

Wwaaaahhh!!!

Roccrawler said:
So this thread was started to ask if the were trail width restrictions what size should they be, It doesnt matter if your running 54" tires... what should the width be?

Jeeees lueeeezzzz!! Can't believe someone shoved their foot in their mouth and out their ass by slamming Bobby,he knows way the hell better!!good lord!
My opinion is that it all has to do with the driver,I run 100" wheel base and
84" track width I weigh around 4,200 lbs and run 42" irocs,ARB front Detroit rear,I do tread very light and make it a practice to not spin the tires,front burns(on the trail) are the worst of it and I fit fine on every trail in western and eastern Wa. if I can't fit I go back! I can't fit on BYS,so I don't run it. they shoud issue DNR certificates,run everyone on the same trail to test their ability and if they throttle thru bashing trees and digging holes they get a "R" restricted and if you are a competent driver you would be unrestricted!:awesomework:

Gibby1 · Oct 23, 2007

68jeepsterkid said:
Jeeees lueeeezzzz!! Can't believe someone shoved their foot in their mouth and out their ass by slamming Bobby,he knows way the hell better!!good lord!
My opinion is that it all has to do with the driver,I run 100" wheel base and
84" track width I weigh around 4,200 lbs and run 42" irocs,ARB front Detroit rear,I do tread very light and make it a practice to not spin the tires,front burns(on the trail) are the worst of it and I fit fine on every trail in western and eastern Wa. if I can't fit I go back! I can't fit on BYS,so I don't run it. they shoud issue DNR certificates,run everyone on the same trail to test their ability and if they throttle thru bashing trees and digging holes they get a "R" restricted and if you are a competent driver you would be unrestricted!:awesomework:

I have a different alternative. Everyone has to attend a minimum 8 hour work party/year to get the right to play. Without getting into all the details of how it could work, (which I've addressed in previous threads), you get a LOT more respect to the trail and the work of the volunteers when you're one of them.

68jeepsterkid · Oct 23, 2007

Gibby said:
I have a different alternative. Everyone has to attend a minimum 8 hour work party/year to get the right to play. Without getting into all the details of how it could work, (which I've addressed in previous threads), you get a LOT more respect to the trail and the work of the volunteers when you're one of them.

sounds good to me and all the land use facts should be brought to everyones attention so they can see what their actions will cause for future land closures!! before the clean up starts!

pokey · Oct 23, 2007

68jeepsterkid said:
sounds good to me and all the land use facts should be brought to everyones attention so they can see what their actions will cause for future land closures!! before the clean up starts!

ummm thats what I am here for:haha:

Brian H · Oct 23, 2007

If these rigs were locked up this would have never happened. Damage is done by unequipped drivers and or inexperienced drivers.

megatoy66 · Oct 24, 2007

Pretty quite here....anybody have anything to say?

Brian H · Oct 24, 2007

megatoy66 said:
Pretty quite here....anybody have anything to say?

I think everybody needs to just shut up and wheel what they have while they still can and have fun doing it. **** all this drama bullshit that goes on in this thread. Thats all.:;

megatoy66 · Oct 24, 2007

You're right brian, while I still have a chance I had better take advantage of it.
I'm thinking about going to elbe or naches with my 91" wide, 47" tired buggy and doing what I want while I still can. That would include scraping the bark off trees as I see fit.
I'm thinking about cutting down trees that get in my way because the trail is to narrow.
I'm thinking about digging out the holes in two wheel drive so I can listen to the small tired, horse and buggy, stuck in the last century idiots bitch about it.
I'm thinking about the future of wheeling around here and it dose'nt look good.

Before anybody jumps down my throat these are my thoughts and nothing else.

Brian H · Oct 24, 2007

megatoy66 said:
You're right brian, while I still have a chance I had better take advantage of it.
I'm thinking about going to elbe or naches with my 91" wide, 47" tired buggy and doing what I want while I still can. That would include scraping the bark off trees as I see fit.
I'm thinking about cutting down trees that get in my way because the trail is to narrow.
I'm thinking about digging out the holes in two wheel drive so I can listen to the small tired, horse and buggy, stuck in the last century idiots bitch about it.
I'm thinking about the future of wheeling around here and it dose'nt look good.

Before anybody jumps down my throat these are my thoughts and nothing else.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Gibby1 · Oct 24, 2007

megatoy66 said:
You're right brian, while I still have a chance I had better take advantage of it.
I'm thinking about going to elbe or naches with my 91" wide, 47" tired buggy and doing what I want while I still can. That would include scraping the bark off trees as I see fit.
I'm thinking about cutting down trees that get in my way because the trail is to narrow.
I'm thinking about digging out the holes in two wheel drive so I can listen to the small tired, horse and buggy, stuck in the last century idiots bitch about it.
I'm thinking about the future of wheeling around here and it dose'nt look good.

Before anybody jumps down my throat these are my thoughts and nothing else.

Then you'll like the new look for the Rainier Vista! You'll fit AND you'll like the challenge. Just give us till spring to try to get it ready...

Brian H · Oct 24, 2007

Gibby said:
Then you'll like the new look for the Rainier Vista! You'll fit AND you'll like the challenge. Just give us till spring to try to get it ready...

When is the work party Dale?

421 · Oct 24, 2007

megatoy66 said:
You're right brian, while I still have a chance I had better take advantage of it.
I'm thinking about going to elbe or naches with my 91" wide, 47" tired buggy and doing what I want while I still can. That would include scraping the bark off trees as I see fit.
I'm thinking about cutting down trees that get in my way because the trail is to narrow.
I'm thinking about digging out the holes in two wheel drive so I can listen to the small tired, horse and buggy, stuck in the last century idiots bitch about it.
I'm thinking about the future of wheeling around here and it dose'nt look good.

Before anybody jumps down my throat these are my thoughts and nothing else.

time to move ..:fawkdancesmiley: this place

Gibby1 · Oct 24, 2007

Brian H said:
When is the work party Dale?

I'm still waiting for KarlVP and rollinhvy to get back to me about dumptrucks.

Brian H · Oct 24, 2007

Gibby said:
I can tell you what we're shooting for at Elbe. We are definitely going to a traiL rating system that will have vehicle recommendations. These recommendations will be determined by people who are experienced wheelers and who are familiar with the terrain. However, as mentioned in many posts, a small tired rig on a SWB with aggressive tires, lockers and a winch can manage obstacles that some big rigs cannot, and vice versa. It wouldn't be fair to make a rule that would limit Sami's on the the busy because they may not be big enough but at the same time, a stock 4runner may be running bigger tires and have no business on the Busy. Conversely, a well built rig running full width axles may be able to navigate the busy quite well but a full size rig with the same size tires, but no lockers, winch etc, would also have no business on the busy.

So here's what we're working towards. A trail rating system with any where from 3-5 classifications and where appropriate, dual classifications depending on the size of the vehicle, LWB vs SWB. i.e. The Gotcha might be a moderate difficulty trail for a LWB rig because of a lot of corners with stumps sticking out that can easily rip off rockers and fenders if your not careful, but it's an easy trail for a SWB rig because they can maneuver around everything. Conversley, the Swamp trail will be an extreme trail for SWB and other smaller vehicles, simply because of the mud and the size of the ruts, however, it's perhaps only a difficult trail for the big rigs.

So we're going to be coming up with a trail by trail classification system and rate each trail. These ratings will be on the maps and the will be on new signs at the trail head and trail intersections (hint hint, upcoming work party). No one will have any excuse for getting somewhere that they don't belong and if we accept that MOST people will use common sense, this will stop the unprepared from wandering into trouble and hopefully keep the prepared or bigger, more built rigs on trails suited to their vehicles. We don't want a 44" tired rigS running through Gotcha making holes and trenches in the few muddy spots to ruin the trail for the vehicles that are most likely to run it on a day to day basis.

IF someone deliberatly ignores the trail ratings and ventures in with completely inappropriate vehicles that result in damage, they CAN be fined and heavily. So, take a full size, LWB rig into the busy, beat everything up and get stuck or broken, you can be fined and we are encouraging enforcement. The cost of timely extraction can also be tacked on and it can and will affect the owners ability to get a driver's license. If that full size that got stuck in there last year does so again and results in the same kind of probem, it is feasible that a helicopter is bought in to remove the carcass at the expense of the vehicle owner, regardless of whether or not he WANTS it removed that way.

I hesitate to bring this up but this is important to know. I can speak only for DNR land, but all trees inside the trail corridor are already considered lost by the DNR. That means that accidental rubbing up against the trees, scraping some bark off, etc is NOT going to get the trails closed. They consider those trees, OUR trees. However, when the root system is degraded and the tree becomes sick or dies, it often has to be removed, this is why most of the trees at Elbe have been cut, (excluding logging) for safety, not for big rigs to fit though. This is NOT a license to intentionally damage the trees, not use tree savers etc. Since these trees are part of OUR trails we have a responsibility to maintain them or the trails will just get wider and straighter as time goes on.

By next spring you will see a trail rating system up and running at Elbe, maybe sooner. If you want to be part of that process, attend the next Elbe Focus group meeting. It'll be 7pm on the second Tuesday of November. I'll be posting details when the meeting is finalized. The decisions on trail ratings and vehicle recomendations that go along with that WILL be made at that meeting.

I dont agree with most of this gibby.Let say that you have a few people in your party and you are the only one with big tires(lets say 39.5) and the people you are wheeling with ahve only 33 to 35s. Does this mean you will have to set out a trail while they run it? Not cool. I really disagree on this.Wheel what you have and just be smart about what and where you wheel.I think a trail rating is all that will be needed.

421 · Oct 24, 2007

Brian H said:
I dont agree with most of this gibby.

x2 let me no where the next meeting is ..thanks

Fullywrecked · Oct 24, 2007

The busywild is fawking easy at 116" WB and 80" wide.

I don't have a problem with rating the trails, I do have a problem with telling me I can't run them.

Gibby1 · Oct 24, 2007

Ratings are recommendations not rules.

Brian, to answer your question. If you were to run a trail where you didn't meet the trail ratings/recommendations and you cause a problem as a result, you should be penalized for doing so.

I big guy may have to sit out a trail just like a little guy will... but we're talking about a vehicle that is simply not suitable for the trail.

Turn this around. If you have 4 guys on your run, well equipped, 40" tires, dual lockers, winches and a single smaller vehicle tagging along. Let's say he's running 33s, open with maybe a winch and a long bed Toyota pickup, oh yeah, and it's JANUARY! Should the smaller vehicle skip out on that run? You bet they should.

I think you misundertand the intent of the system, it's to let people know what they're getting into and what type of vehicle MINIMUMs are required. It's only the idiots who are going to then intentionally take vehicles into trails where they simply don't belong when they are informed about what the trail is like.

There were a couple of issues last year that support these changes. We all recall the group of underprepared vehicles that got on the busy because they really didn't know better (and let's leave it at that) and created a vehicle rescue fiasco of sorts. Proper trail ratings, vehicle recommendations and markings could have prevented this. Conversely there was the second incident of the guy in the full size that basically beat his rig apart and created another vehicle rescue fiasco. Rumor has it he's coming back with a full size blazer to beat his way through again because the "BUSY" beat him. Without a method of enforcement how do we stop him from doing this again? We STILL have the Cherokee up there because we can't get it out.