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12V versus 24V cummins 5.9L
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CrustyJeep
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Actually, I have to agree. Considering how big and heavy the truck is, I don't have any complaints at all.
1 grumpy
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I just picked up a 93 dodge 350 1ton duelly 12valve diesel with a 4spd auto.I've already towed with it and had know issues.
Cascade_Crawler
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12 valve because they are cheaper. Hell sam you could even get an ol 1st gen, they may be a dog stock but it will still pull something.
GRW
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FYI I have a 12V QC, took quite a while to find.
I wanted the 12V, wife wanted the QC.
As of yet it is stock (auto trans) until the trany gets built.
After that
I wanted the 12V, wife wanted the QC.
As of yet it is stock (auto trans) until the trany gets built.
After that
Lucky Jeff
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maybe stock is fast enough.. But when I go back to driving these stock trucks with no trailer weight at all hooked to em. It still doesn't even feel like I can reach freeway speeds without a long on-ramp. I haven't driven anything as slow as my Dodge when it was stock..
War-Jeeper
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you got it! just need it to tow stuff not trying to win any drag races here folks, ive reached the point where the little ranger isnt cutting it, and im pretty sure its not any faster anyway so i dont care. Everything i own is slow:haha:
good to hear:awesomework:
do you have a 12V or 24V Glenn?
i assume you ment to say NO issues....correct
im looking at the body style after that personally
needs to be long bed extended cab 4X4 is what my criteria is for buying o and $16000 or less:redneck:
On the Bombers there are a bunch for sale right now, and a couple are right around the 10K mark...
And if you do get a 12v, find out if the injection pump has been gone through... If its way up there in mileage (150-200K) the pump probably needs to be gone through...
War-Jeeper
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most the ones ive been looking at are around 125XXX miles
CrustyJeep
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'99, 24 valve.
The only real difference between the 2nd Gen 12v and 2nd Gen 24v trucks is the lift and injection pumps. The 12v is all mechanical with the legendary P7100 IP and the 24v is all electrically controlled with a notoriously failure prone LP and similarly infamous VP44 IP.
The 12v enjoys a substantial edge in reliability with a few cheap if not free methods of gaining more power while the 24v offers not only plug 'n play ease of gaining more power but the convenience of easy adjustability of that power as well.
The killer dowel pin issue primarilly afflicts the 12 valves but has also occured in 24 valve engines. For as inexpensive and easy as it is to prevent by doing the work yourself, one would be foolish not to eliminate the possibility on either engine.
Various transmission issues are just that and have nothing to do with whether the transmission is behind a 12v or 24v engine.
Same with steering issues, they are the same for the entire 2nd Gen line of trucks regardless of engine type.
Other minor differences would be the introduction of the 47RE electronically controlled automatic transmission in the 1996 model year, the upgrade from vacuum assisted brakes to a HydroBoost system for the 1997 model year, the redesigned interior and availability of the Quad Cab and shortbed in the 1998 model year, availability of the NV5600 6 speed in 1999, and rear disk brakes for the 2001.5 model year.
Personally, the crappy stock electric lift pump and particularly the VP44 were deal breakers for me. I decided early on that it was going to be a 2nd Gen 12v or a 2003+ 3rd Gen common rail. After a long look at both, I came across a deal for a 1997 2500 CTD 5 speed 4x4 CC that I couldn't pass up.
I don't know where someone up above came up with the notion that the 12v's P7100 injection pump needs a going through at 200,000 miles. They commonly go for FAR longer than that. Perhaps he has confused it with the VP44, except that they are notorious for failing well before that mark.
Lastly, there should not be such a huge emphasis placed on power for towing or equating towing ability with power output. People who focus only on that single aspect are a bit shortsighted and perhaps even foolish. The ability to control a load and stop it are far more important than the ability to get it started or race up the pass at 80mph. While I plan to turn up my 12v just a bit, it's stock 215hp gets me over the passes at legal speed limits just fine. If I had to choose between the two, I would rather have an exhaust brake than go fast goodies. A lot of guys also turn their trucks up so far the enine becomes tempermental and they start having reliabilty and longevity issues as well as shredding the drivetrain.
Good luck in your research and search. I'm sure that whatever you eventually opt for, you will agree that it is far better than any gasser. :awesomework:
The 12v enjoys a substantial edge in reliability with a few cheap if not free methods of gaining more power while the 24v offers not only plug 'n play ease of gaining more power but the convenience of easy adjustability of that power as well.
The killer dowel pin issue primarilly afflicts the 12 valves but has also occured in 24 valve engines. For as inexpensive and easy as it is to prevent by doing the work yourself, one would be foolish not to eliminate the possibility on either engine.
Various transmission issues are just that and have nothing to do with whether the transmission is behind a 12v or 24v engine.
Same with steering issues, they are the same for the entire 2nd Gen line of trucks regardless of engine type.
Other minor differences would be the introduction of the 47RE electronically controlled automatic transmission in the 1996 model year, the upgrade from vacuum assisted brakes to a HydroBoost system for the 1997 model year, the redesigned interior and availability of the Quad Cab and shortbed in the 1998 model year, availability of the NV5600 6 speed in 1999, and rear disk brakes for the 2001.5 model year.
Personally, the crappy stock electric lift pump and particularly the VP44 were deal breakers for me. I decided early on that it was going to be a 2nd Gen 12v or a 2003+ 3rd Gen common rail. After a long look at both, I came across a deal for a 1997 2500 CTD 5 speed 4x4 CC that I couldn't pass up.
I don't know where someone up above came up with the notion that the 12v's P7100 injection pump needs a going through at 200,000 miles. They commonly go for FAR longer than that. Perhaps he has confused it with the VP44, except that they are notorious for failing well before that mark.
Lastly, there should not be such a huge emphasis placed on power for towing or equating towing ability with power output. People who focus only on that single aspect are a bit shortsighted and perhaps even foolish. The ability to control a load and stop it are far more important than the ability to get it started or race up the pass at 80mph. While I plan to turn up my 12v just a bit, it's stock 215hp gets me over the passes at legal speed limits just fine. If I had to choose between the two, I would rather have an exhaust brake than go fast goodies. A lot of guys also turn their trucks up so far the enine becomes tempermental and they start having reliabilty and longevity issues as well as shredding the drivetrain.
Good luck in your research and search. I'm sure that whatever you eventually opt for, you will agree that it is far better than any gasser. :awesomework:
1 grumpy
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THANK'S FOR THE GOOD INFO BOOMER..And where is a good place to look at buying an exhaust brake at..:corn:
War-Jeeper
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Dang boomer! thats a lot of good stuff there:awesomework:
BD or PAC have the best on the market.
We have a BD 4" inline and like Boomer said, it is by far the best investment made to the truck. Pulling across mountains, with pretty much any load, i can down shift one gear, turn on the brake, and not have to touch the service brakes the rest of the way. Definitely worth the money:awesomework:
Lincolnlock
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I can hardly drive mine with everything turned off.... and I have 170hp injectors! These trucks are aniemic in stock form. I have a 24V with 187,xxx miles on the stock VP44.... but if I did it all over again I would buy a 12V. For the record.... a stock powerstroke will smoke the doors off of a stock cummins. I know... I've owned both!
1 grumpy
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Do you have a link for BD.Ive already looked at Pac:hi:
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I love my 24v---Soon it will be alot faster
Lucky Jeff
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I don't know how people can say they do 70 over the pass towing a load with a 12 valve.. I've gone up the pass towing a load in a stock 12 valve.. 70 or even 60 was nowhere in site.. And sticking your nose up to someone who has some power while you have stock steering and brakes and saying you are much more in control is pretty stupid as well.. Have you driven a Dodge lately Boomer? You need to get off your high horse every now and then. Performance isn't the only area I have put some money into my truck. Can you say the same?
Steering was not the same throughout the years.. it was different on the 98 models. And the 6 speed had a smaller input shaft in 99. And was rare as is for that model year because they haulted production on it soon after the launch and then came back with it a lot heavier in 2000.
The absolute cheapest way to have decent power, good fuel mileage and reliability. Get a 96-98 12 valve 5 speed, Put a fuel plate in it (free), a decent intake, a 4" exhaust.. save up for a decent clutch and don't go over 285/75/16 tires. You will be plenty happy.
Steering was not the same throughout the years.. it was different on the 98 models. And the 6 speed had a smaller input shaft in 99. And was rare as is for that model year because they haulted production on it soon after the launch and then came back with it a lot heavier in 2000.
The absolute cheapest way to have decent power, good fuel mileage and reliability. Get a 96-98 12 valve 5 speed, Put a fuel plate in it (free), a decent intake, a 4" exhaust.. save up for a decent clutch and don't go over 285/75/16 tires. You will be plenty happy.
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Roccrawler
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I am waaayyyy happy with my 02 24v
4" exhaust
edge with attitude
intake
Crazy power, more than I will ever need, usually tow on setting 2 outta 5
I do know the tranny will someday puke, then its a upgrade
its even getting 24.5mpg unloaded on the freeway.
4" exhaust
edge with attitude
intake
Crazy power, more than I will ever need, usually tow on setting 2 outta 5
I do know the tranny will someday puke, then its a upgrade
its even getting 24.5mpg unloaded on the freeway.
skinny_pedal
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calculated or by the computer?
