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555 "Black Betty"

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Not for public board distribution. Not really because it’s a secret, its not, most of you know about it, but two reasons.

#1 Builder still owes me the Bypasses for the car, and I’d prefer no hoopla until I’m squared up.
#2 I work too damn slow to start a public forum thread where everyone keeps asking for updates. I work 60 hours a week, have two kids under 5 years old. A wife that triple books every weekend, and my general want to sit down and have a cocktail/beer or three every now and then.


None the less I’m pretty pumped up to get another car back together to race with. My plans are to race in Texas only in the BRT desert series. Maybe go out west once a year for Parker or maybe V2R or The Mint. Would love to come to the SE and hillshoot with it!!! LOL


Specifications:

2" .120 wall DOM main chassis
125" Wheelbase
90” width
39" BFG
17x8.5" Walker Evans Beadlock Wheels
LS high HP who knows
4L80 Full Manual VB
Atlas 2:1 Pro Series gears, 300m outputs
Currie F9" IFS front with 934 series CV's, Progear 10” 5.43's 35spn spool
Spidertrax 35spl Prohubs
RCV CV Joints
18" Front Travel
12" 2.625 Bilstein Coilovers with ACV (Anti Cavitation) valving
14" 2.625 Bilstein Prototype Bypass's ACV (Anti Cavitation) valving
Currie 3.5” F9 rear 40spl Progear 10” 5.43's ARB
Spidertrax 40spl Prohubs
15" 2.625 Bilstein Coilovers
17" 2.625 Bilstein Prototype Bypass's
28" Rear Wheel Travel
CBR Radiator, Transmission Cooler, Small oil coolers for Oil and Steering
Steering TBD
Mastercraft 3G race seats w/ Schroth harnesses
Tubeworks Rotors/Wilwood Brakes
Trailer Products Porter GenIII Class 1 ‘glass body.



Finished Product should look a lot like this ES/Porter Class1.
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To get the story out there.
This saga begins last December, with some discussion with Dave “DSI” Schneider about partnering on a racecar and racing the “Best In The Desert” series together. Specifically, his IFS 4400 that was currently under construction. Things happened agreements couldn’t be reached, and nothing came of it. March same kinda deal, only I was less interested. Beginning of May, DSI calls to ask if I want to buy the project. I said “No”, I actually said “No” for about two weeks until the deal was too sweet, I felt like I couldn’t afford not to buy the car.
Link to Pirate build thread.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=927239

I mentioned saga, I should have also mentioned DRAMA. We agreed to a price (1/3rd upfront rest on delivery) and agreed to a condition of the car (i.e. full welded roller) After multiple missed delivery dates and delays and miscommunication, and did I mention drama? Finally come August, I headed out for Albakirkey with BGillispie and an enclosed set to bring this thing home finally. Pretty uneventful trip to bring home a non-rolling, tacked together chassis. >:( There were concessions made, and excuses given. On the way back to Houston we stopped back at Jabnastys who had a party for us when we came back through, great BBQ, Beer, and Sara’s Breakfast. Good times were had!

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Once back in Sugar Land, I had no intentions of unloading it until December after I could got my hotrod roller out of my garage and make room. Ended up I did that first of November.

Finally in my garage. I had it to roller just before Thanksgiving, and have since torn back down to continue welding.
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First thing I really worked on was the rear housing and doing the mounts. I still lack bracing between the upper mounts, and then doing the Caliper brackets. Still have to design them

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Some of my welding on the rear lower mounts
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Chassis is badass, these guys had a good vision and plan for the car. As with any project somethings worked out and some don’t. I’ve changed a fair bit of the components just because I didn’t buy what Dave had for the car. My only complaint is I replaced more than a handful of tubes in the chassis that I did not care for their fitament, due to very poor tube notching. It was very apparent two different fabricators had worked on it, one that was good, and one that was a hack and learning.

Example of GAP!!! :o
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Probably the biggest change already is the car was designed with the plans for a behind the seat 40 gal fuel cell that most Class1’s. I am way to big to be able to rock that without making an extremely uncomforatable car for me. So the fuel is now going in the ass. So much for two vertical spares a tool box and tools back there……
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I know there will be lots of questions on the front suspension. I have researched and read my ass off on IFS suspensions. Everything from NASCAR, Circletrack to the winged outlaw setups. Ackermans out the ass!!! The guy that designed this one missed a fair bit of stuff I’ve had to fix in CAD. The biggest being that at full droop the upper arm will hit the ends of the steering rack. I’ve since clearanced them in CAD but have not burnt out new plates to reconfigure the upper arms. I’m still an IFS rookie, but have picked up up super fast I think. I do own this design and will not be actively trying to sell frontends, but if someone wants a front I’ll be way cheaper than Kirby or Pro-Am :****:. I have built the jigs to tack up the arms, and the uprights, and can modify the bulkhead to fit your C/O and bypasses, then you can full weld them.

I’m still learning CAD, and then loving the Torchmate. Been burning out all kinds of cool ****, I cant believe I waited so long to get one.
 
Re: 555 Go-Fast

Very bad ass! Need anything in CAD drawn/tweaked let me know I work with it daily. thumb.gif

Hope the bypasses show up for ya. The shotty notching might have been a good thing the chassis was only tacked.
 
Re: 555 Go-Fast

Glad to see this thing going to someone who will finish it. I need to get back into the game aswell. Been too long since I have been behind the wheel and I have the itch.
 
Re: 555 Go-Fast

74_Chevota said:
Glad to see this thing going to someone who will finish it. I need to get back into the game aswell. Been too long since I have been behind the wheel and I have the itch.
****, its in my garage and still not getting the time on it I'd like. Me and some local buddies are doing a 24hr of LeMons car (jeep cherokee) and that has been eating up A LOT of time. First race is same weekend as KOH. Then there is the money thing, man somehow that **** flies out the window before the trickle down to go-fast bling can snatch it.

I know I'm paying other people to plumb and wire it, but I may move some of the build fab into a paying gig for a shop. We'll see as time evaporates and money burns itself....
 
Re: 555 Go-Fast

I've really done a lot of LeMons building this month getting ready for our race in a week and a half, so not too much work on this car aside from melting down the credit cards.

But heres an update none the less since I'm all KOH ancy......


I needed to name it to make it personal so I’ve have named this bitch "Black Betty",

From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Betty
-The earliest meaning of "Black Betty" in the United States (from at least 1827) was a liquor bottle.
-The song was first recorded in the field by U.S. musicologists John and Alan Lomax in 1933, performed a cappella by the convict James Baker (also known as Iron Head) and a group at Central State Farm, Sugar Land, Texas (a State prison farm).
So you can see the tie to Sugar Land

She really gets me high (bam-BA-lam)
You know that's no lie (bam-BA-lam)
She's so rock steady (bam-BA-lam)
She's always ready (bam-BA-lam)

Ram Jam - Black Betty


Welding Welding and more welding, and still no where close to done welding just whats there now.

Parts have been trickling in. Bilstien has had the whip cracked on them last week. I’ve been waiting 5 months for my Bypasses. They set a delivery date 5 weeks from now with every two week check ins, so this should happen now.

Spidertrax ProHubs and Tubeworks rotors. Using Wilwood calipers, the rears are here they are making the fronts and should have in a few weeks.
Not sure on pedals and Master cylinders but thinking of going Tilton
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To the pics.
Front is on, the uppers are not the arms I’m using they hit the steering if turned and at full droop. Have new arms cut
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Rearend is hung and works, the upper links are as narrow as possible to clear the waterpump and steering on the motor but it pushes the rear axle back further than I’d like. I’m not sure there is a solution, it is what it is.
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I’ve toyed with the seat/fuel cell fitament in the cab…..this is super frustrating, but I think I’m going to be able to fit 40-44 gallons behind the seats and under the driverseat.
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Re: 555 Go-Fast

Badass. I would love to step up to a build like this, but reality has set in with my first child only 6 weeks out, and a business that I'm really trying to grow this year, I'm going to have to keep racing my buggy for now. I hear ya on the KOH fever right now, I'm pissed I'm not racing my rig. Codriving will be cool though, and cheaper.
 
That looks really good Wyatt...smart move to go with something you can do well in the TX series and still play on the rocks some.
 
Looks like its time for some scotch bright! How would you rate the work thats been done on it so far? DSI seems to have the persona, but does his skill live up to the hype? flashemifyougotem
 
74_Chevota said:
Looks like its time for some scotch bright! How would you rate the work thats been done on it so far? DSI seems to have the persona, but does his skill live up to the hype? flashemifyougotem

DSI's fab skills are hack/borderline terrible. He's a good guy, but what you dont see on the web is he is actually crippled. He walks with a cane and doesnt do that too well at that either. He's not a fabricator, but he is a walking talking offroad parts catalog. All these shops he's been at, he has ran their front office and been their presence in sales and face of the business on the phone, at the counter, and online. So currently he's at TrentFab, he does all the office stuff that frees up Derek Trent to do the work that he opened that shop to do.
To get things built for himself DSI pulls favors, etc…with all sorts of people to get **** built for himself, then lives like a broke ****** all year around to spend money on hard parts. He ran out of favors on this car from everything I can tell, and hence why it went into storage. My cash for this one plus his splitting of the owner ship with Derek Trent on the “TopShelf” build is what got that car built.
I would say the shitty notches were probably his. All of the good ones were likely a guy named Aaron that works at Trentfab. All of the early design work can be credited to a guy named Mike Aiello who is the one who totaled and burnt up DSI's "Christine" car. Mike doesnt have the type of money to replace a burnt car so he designed this one and with its sale and the sale of the design work got money in DSI's pocket and clears some level of his debt to DSI over the burnt car.

Now how that pertains to this car, out of the several hundred notches on the car there were a handful that were TERRIBLE. I replaced all but 1, and that one 1.75" tube I actually filled to high heaven with weld then ground down and welded it to look right. Its buried in the belly so its not like it will ever been seen or an issue, it just wasnt a tube I could get out without MAJOR cutting.

Not saying I have a dirty taste in my mouth on this deal. I’m right on the price for the chassis, hardparts and the IFS design. I have no idea how much it would cost to actually pay a designer to develop, solidworks test then convert everything to burnable .dxf’s to create one of these IFS frontends. So I now own that design, the work, and the files. All that said, I knew what I was getting into with DSI and his standard issue bullshit of over-promise and under-deliver. The price made the hassle worthwhile but none the less it was still extremely frustrating.

It was supposed to be a full welded roller, it was no where near that. But when I’m done I’ll have a car that I can say is a lot of mine and not someone elses work (silver lining)

I get my ’11 bonus in the next 4 weeks so any of the big parts that I don’t have yet will soon be getting ordered.

A lot of my free time the past two months has been spent on this **** box, that we finally get to race this weekend.
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Wyatt, well that makes a lot of sense. Having the thought taken out of an ifs car is worth a lot. You have a great base and a well thought out approach.

You can email me the files for the ifs design to [email protected]. Thanks laughing1 :flipoff1:
 
DSI has not changed since I got into the game back in 98?? I did an SAS in 2000-2001 and he was going to make me a flange for my D44 front using a D44 and Toyota flange, a lathe and some booger welds. I was waiting on this for months, before I just ordered my front driveshaft with a 1310 front joint

.....TURNS OUT laughing1 he wasn't doing the work, a friend of a friend was and my parts got lost in the mix and I was heated. Granted we are talking more principle here than financial. Him and one other douche ****ed me over. Not bad for all the wheelin/dealin/hustlin I did for several years.
 

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