Very nice points Paul, I definately feel we put more into hating on CAOS than we put into making ours better at times. I had let it all go and stopped visiting their site (for more than 2 minutes a day), when I found where Rich had stirred them up. I jumped in to throw jabs at Jrose because I hate that guy with a passion, and got pissed at him talking about us lurking on their site. Then he posted later about our matching tshirt order and so forth so it was obvious who lurks where.
That said, I don't know why people in our club still give a rats ass about their club and what they do. THEY DON"T WANT US TO "MAKE IT" AS A CLUB, so why bother with their ****. We don't have to tell them and others that they suck and have zero participation in the local off-road community, anybody that is involved already knows that first hand. I agree with P, take the negativity around the whole mess and put it into our club being better and better. Members, rides, ideas, events, etc.. We have made a name for ourselves, we just have to keep it up and stay one step ahead of those other guys.