Video Rights?

[sledneck]

This happened with skateboarding and BMX a while back. Guys used to get excited if they made it into a video, then ESPN got involved and wouldn't let people film the contests. So now instead of riding/skating for the love of it, people expect to get paid for everything and drama like this happens. Its ruined those sports and its killing wheeling. Pesonaly I think event videos get boring real quick anyway. You can only watch people try the same hill so many times. The older BK and mad ram clips where the guys were just out wheeling and hitting **** different ways were way more fun to watch.

Quoted for the truth.

 

[snoball]

This happened with skateboarding and BMX a while back. Guys used to get excited if they made it into a video, then ESPN got involved and wouldn't let people film the contests. So now instead of riding/skating for the love of it, people expect to get paid for everything and drama like this happens. Its ruined those sports and its killing wheeling. Pesonaly I think event videos get boring real quick anyway. You can only watch people try the same hill so many times. The older BK and mad ram clips where the guys were just out wheeling and hitting **** different ways were way more fun to watch.

^this! Miss the regular fun wheeling vids BK and Madram

 

[BustedKnucklefilms]

I must be a horrible business person. I have had the ability to exclude my competition from an event on more than one occasion. But every time I tell them no I will never do that. I would rather compete. I want to be the best. Competition makes me step my game up and grow as a film maker and a business. Why would anyone not want to compete? Seems like a last ditch effort to get into a digital market that they are already behind in since DVDs are on their way out.

 

[yankster]

I get to travel all over the country for work and always drag the buggies along. I stopped in Maryland with the white buggy on a trailer and checked into a hotel. The guy behind the counter saw the buggy and asked me if I ever heard of Madram11. These videos have brought recognition to a sport most would have never heard of. Imagine how many bouncer parts would not exist without the videos growing the sport. Publicity is pushing innovation.

 

[lowbudgetjunk]

I too like the old school videos of everyone out wheeling, but I respect what Matt does to make a living. I also applaud the exposure Matt and Cole have brought to a lot of southern wheeling spots. Who thinks AOP would exist and be profitable if they hadn't seen the writing on the Youtube wall?

Continue to video sir and please do step up your game. We all enjoy the new shots, editing, crashes, epic saves, etc, etc, that you bring us on a weekly basis. Any dipshit that thinks they are above the wheeling family will only suffer for it. Just like the dumbass gun guy in Anniston pissing off the veterans, don't **** where you eat and you will be fine.

 

[Speeding]

This happened with skateboarding and BMX a while back. Guys used to get excited if they made it into a video, then ESPN got involved and wouldn't let people film the contests. So now instead of riding/skating for the love of it, people expect to get paid for everything and drama like this happens. Its ruined those sports and its killing wheeling. Pesonaly I think event videos get boring real quick anyway. You can only watch people try the same hill so many times. The older BK and mad ram clips where the guys were just out wheeling and hitting **** different ways were way more fun to watch.

Yup. Spot on. Have you guys noticed any of my photo galleries from all the comps this year? Exactly! Lol

 

[kmcminn]

Now that you mention I havent. When attendance drops and money slows people will realize the error of their ways.

 

[J.A.B]

The good ole days of wheeling at parks are gone. There are so many people now it is ridiculous. The internet videos have drawn bigger and bigger crowds over the past 3 years or so. Not saying its all a bad thing but it is a fact.

The only way to have a good time now days is on private land or off weekends at these parks.

 

[TBItoy]

Re: Re: Re: Video Rights?

The good ole days of wheeling at parks are gone. There are so many people now it is ridiculous. The internet videos have drawn bigger and bigger crowds over the past 3 years or so. Not saying its all a bad thing but it is a fact.

The only way to have a good time now days is on private land or off weekends at these parks.

With the exception of AOP, most parks only have a couple "events" per year.

 

[BustedKnucklefilms]

Yup. Spot on. Have you guys noticed any of my photo galleries from all the comps this year? Exactly! Lol

I figured you sold your camera to buy RZR Parts?

 

[John Galbreath Jr.]

The good ole days of wheeling at parks are gone. There are so many people now it is ridiculous. The internet videos have drawn bigger and bigger crowds over the past 3 years or so. Not saying its all a bad thing but it is a fact.

The only way to have a good time now days is on private land or off weekends at these parks.

I disagree. There is more than one way to use the Hardline Calendar. All the large events are marked so I know the places to avoid on that weekend. Had some small rides at Morris Mountain, Choccolocco Mountain, and Hawk Pride this year. Medium sized ride at Stony Lonesome. Done more wheeling this year than in years past.

 

[TacomaJD]

The good ole days of wheeling at parks are gone. There are so many people now it is ridiculous. The internet videos have drawn bigger and bigger crowds over the past 3 years or so. Not saying its all a bad thing but it is a fact.

The only way to have a good time now days is on private land or off weekends at these parks.

I hate hearing stuff like this ^^^ There's plenty of "good ole wheeling" I do it every single time I go wheeling! If you think good ole wheeling is gone, you either:

1.) Don't go to the right rides/events
2.) Must not have any friends to wheel with at all outside of a bouncer competition

It's simple to have good ole trail wheeling rides. Watch Trail Rides thread on here, pick out some good rides and go! Or stay in touch with your friends and go on an off weekend. Afterall, good ole trail riding means no crowd, more wheeling, right? So how is wheeling off weekends any different now than when "everybody" used to do it years ago?

There's no excuse for anyone not to be able to wheel like old times, period. Wheeling is what you make it. It's been close to 2 years since I been to a bouncer race. I haven't missed it at all, and still wheel all the time with several folks from this site. Get out and wheel!

 

[patooyee]

I disagree. There is more than one way to use the Hardline Calendar. All the large events are marked so I know the places to avoid on that weekend. Had some small rides at Morris Mountain, Choccolocco Mountain, and Hawk Pride this year. Medium sized ride at Stony Lonesome. Done more wheeling this year than in years past.

I agree, I use the calendar as a map of where NOT to go. (Thank you for keeping up with the calendar so vigilantly also, John.)

Now lately it seems everyone wants what I work hard for and they want it for FREE!

Haha, the plight of the American worker everywhere these days.

Everyone I've ever met with BK and MR have always been good, honorable people as far as I could tell. I have been personally honored by being in BK's films at least once that I am aware of. BUT I can't help pointing out the irony in that statement coming from someone who makes money by filming extremely expensive vehicles paid for and built by others. Any one of the drivers could say, "It seems like BK wants to film what I work hard for and film it for free!"

The NASCAR analogy is legit IMO and I think will become moreso as time goes on. Film crews will want exclusive rights, event organizers will eventually grant them those rights. Same way NASCAR does. Film brings the crowd, organizers bring the event, parks bring the organizers. I don't know who or what TGW is. But if I was whatever huge TV network broadcasts NASCAR, I had put millions into equipment, personnel, market research, I would not want my contract to state that my competitor could come in, possibly get in my way, and have equal access / rights. Maybe rock bouncing isn't there yet but if it is to become mainstream it will eventually. Eventually the racers are going to go from, "I'm honored to be in the video," to "Where's my cut?" Its only natural. These rigs take resources from our families. Every dollar I spend is a mental battle between family money vs. buggy. How long can people continue sacrificing family without remuneration? I remember when a $20k buggy could compete. Then you had to have $40k to compete. Now it seems like $100k buggies are the norm.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. I guess I'm mainly playing devil's advocate. You can't look at the history of other motor sports and deny the pattern. They have all basically turned out like NASCAR. Why would we be any different in the long-run? Failing as a broadcast sport is the only way I can think of that there would be any reason to turn out differently and I don't think that is the direction we are going. Are there any mainstream sports that don't control who broadcasts in some way shape or form? Are there any that just allow any dude with a GoPro to come in, get into the mix, film it all, and go home to profit?

 

[BustedKnucklefilms]

Any driver has the right to hire a camera crew and have them follow them around and put it on their own youtube channel to try and make a profit. I can assure you that the effort is not worth the payout.

also If any driver did not want me to film them I would respect their wishes. Just like when one of them has a bad wreck. I wait for them to ok for me to post it if at all.

 

[patooyee]

Any driver has the right to hire a camera crew and have them follow them around and put it on their own youtube channel to try and make a profit.

Does an event organizer not have that same right?

 

[zukimaster]

The next time I get knee deep in the Keystones, and start backing up everything, you have my permission to film me! better hurry, I break fast!

 

[John Galbreath Jr.]

Any driver has the right to hire a camera crew and have them follow them around and put it on their own youtube channel to try and make a profit.

Then why don't we see GoPros inside NASCAR in the shadows of the TV cameras. On the pit crew helmets. Why don't we see GoPros on the horses at the Kentucky Derby. Wow, that would be a cool shot and could go viral.

I don't know, but somebody appears to be controlling what is being filmed, especially at televised events. I know when I was on Powerblock, I had to sign a document that I would not take pics or video, even with a cell phone in order to gain admission to the property.

 

[patooyee]

I forget the TV show that came to Morris Mountain that one time that my group was on, but they also asked us not to post our video until after the show aired. There was a huge todo about this for TTC, too.

 

[BustedKnucklefilms]

I was referring to rock bouncing and or mega trucks. When TV shows get involved it is a whole different ball game.

 

[patooyee]

I was referring to rock bouncing and or mega trucks. When TV shows get involved it is a whole different ball game.

You are the TV shows of rock bouncing. In many ways you are more successful than TV shows since most of the 4x4 TV shows never make it and you are still here.