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GRNTACO said:Is this still open or is there trees in it?
That pic was taken 6/24/06 and all but one had to winch.
Same section 7/3/06
Ok I know I'm alittle late but... That line never used to be there. You had to go way to the picture's right and make a very sharp rh turn around a tree and over a little stump. Before that the line was just to the pictures right and that hole got so big that nobody could make it anymore. I believe the pictured line came about 4 years ago or so and was completeley flat (untrenched) ground. They allready closed off the mud pit in the field before that line so obviousley dummys digging holes is a major problem in that area. I think the main reason it's getting so torn up is there is simply way more people running the trails than there used to be. When that's muddy you preaty much have to spin up it. That or get the winch, and who wants to winch up a hill when you can drive it with a lil' tire speed? not me. It's called wheelin. Not winchin. It's supposed to be a chalenge.
Now the tire debate. It's all driver. Not tire size that tears up trails. I would say it's a little agressive tire (like a bias buckshot or swampre LTB) that's cheap and fits novice rigs with no mods. Why buy a locker when gnarly tires look so much cooler? These little tires, when combined with no skills or knowledge spinn at masive speeds in a hair-brained attempt to make it up/over a obsticle using you'r right foot. "Brains off, gas on!" Me and Crash saw a excelent example of this coming back from the wall the saturday after puting up the baracade. There was a kid in a XJ with mabey a 2" lift and lil' mud tires of the les schwad variety. He was stuck in a spot that there was no way he was going to drive out of without help but he was gunning it forward and backward none the less. He even had it revved to the moon when Crash was winching him despite us telling him to just give it a little gas. THAT is what tears up trails. But in all fairness, had he had big tires, he would have dug much bigger holes, or mabey not gotten stuck in the first place, who knows.
So basicly, why the hell make tires the scapegoat for stupidity?
And I will never run anything less than a 38. And yes, they make trails easier, but I have against all odds, aledgidly, managed to keep them from wandering off the trail in search of something more difficult.
crash2
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Don't you mean to the left?
There is nothing but trees to the right :flipoff:
The problem with that spot is the medow just prior to it has alot of wetness in the back side of it (to the right and back of the pic) and keeps that area quite wet. To the point the water/mud holes got deep with a verticly climb followed by a sharp rh corner.... I was able to make it about 3 years ago...
There is nothing but trees to the right :flipoff:
The problem with that spot is the medow just prior to it has alot of wetness in the back side of it (to the right and back of the pic) and keeps that area quite wet. To the point the water/mud holes got deep with a verticly climb followed by a sharp rh corner.... I was able to make it about 3 years ago...
crash said:
To the right of the picture dickfor! ie the way were looking at it. Not the way it would be if you were driving up it.
There is nothing but trees to the pictures left :flipoff:
I hope that all the new route making dosent turn that small section of trail in to the new powerline trail-controversy over keeping it open. If people want mud they should run powerline/ravens roost and take all the original lines.:clappy: they will never want to see mud again :;
Totalled
That Ford Guy
roccrawler said:
I disagree. I did 90% of the Evans trail system on 30" mallterrians and when forward progress stopped... I took my foot out of the throttle. I got a tug and continued on.
It's the driver.
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stealthrunner1
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In the end, Its the driver and his attitude on what is the correct way to make forward progress on the trails !!!!!!! :stirpot:
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That Ford Guy
ANY size tire is going to do damage if the DRIVER pinns the throttle... of course in that situation... the larger the tire, the more damage it's gonna do and sooner. :stirpot:
KarlVP
Love that TOYOTA
Totalled said:
I agree with your comment. I wheeled Sac-up locked front and rear, and also did the starstep at reiter. On 28 inch toyo somethings.
It is all about driver. Lockers help a lot. Tires only come into play much later.
CrustyJeep
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As Nigel Powers would tell us: "It's not the size mate, it's how you use it."
Toyotanut
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KarlVP said:I agree with your comment. I wheeled Sac-up locked front and rear, and also did the starstep at reiter. On 28 inch toyo somethings.
It is all about driver. Lockers help a lot. Tires only come into play much later.
True, but to me it looks like you are spinning tires in the pic. If the ground weren't mostly rock how much damage would you be doing?
KarlVP
Love that TOYOTA
Toyotanut said:
Actually, I didn't spin tires that much that day. I either had traction, or I didn't
And when I did it was a futile attempt. There were a couple lines on sac-up where I tried to light them up and it didn't do much good.
crash said:
Crash.. I suppose you think it's the gun that kills to huh? I may have missed soemthin somewhere but I can't belive you posted this?
Edit: OK I read the rest of the thread and yuor making better sense now Crash...Apologies
I'm on the "stupid driver" wagon, and think of all the money you can save on NOT breaking axles cos of the smaller tires? :stirpot:
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Good driver = damage is minimal because they tread lightly no matter the tire size. (Good driver = responsible)
Idiot driver = more damage w/big tires, but much damage either way.
Point: driver and tire size are not mutually exclusive. This is what the "powers that be" are thinking. They, unfortunately, have to regulate the abusers and the rest of us suffer.
Idiot driver = more damage w/big tires, but much damage either way.
Point: driver and tire size are not mutually exclusive. This is what the "powers that be" are thinking. They, unfortunately, have to regulate the abusers and the rest of us suffer.
crash2
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SysWillys said:
:kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: I STILL LOVE ya big guy :;
SoCal Redneck
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crash said:
if he asks you to wear the sheep suit don't do it... he'll never call ya the morning after
crash2
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SoCal Redneck said:
Even worse--they skip out and don't pay for the room :flipoff:
We all know bad drivers cause the problems. But, since we can't keep all of them out, something will be done and we won't like it. Personally, most of the damage I've seen has been from some asshat who couldn't make a portion of a trail and makes a bypass. Once there are tracks, it's open trail and it's wrong. WE have to stay on the trails and self police so these guys don't ruin it for everyone. Just cuz your Mom's rig has 4WD doesn't mean it should be on the trail.
But also, I don't see much need for 40" tires. I think we need to keep the trails narrow so the full sized don't get in. I'm not actually against full size trail rigs but I'm against any trial that is tempting to some moron in a new F250.
What I'd really like to see is more 'gate keepers'. Ya don't make it through the gate keeper, ya don't get on the trail.
But also, I don't see much need for 40" tires. I think we need to keep the trails narrow so the full sized don't get in. I'm not actually against full size trail rigs but I'm against any trial that is tempting to some moron in a new F250.
What I'd really like to see is more 'gate keepers'. Ya don't make it through the gate keeper, ya don't get on the trail.
