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Anybody run Iron goat/new years?

Maybe I am Naive and I don't know the way things work.

If someone is BREAKING THE LAW and you have VIDEO EVIDENCE of it REPEATEDLY, I'm pretty sure it would get called out/reported/learned about.
 
Kinba reminds me of the episode at the index lookout when some jackass said he should "put a cap in my ass" or something to that nature over a tree removal incident on UTA.
 
Here is how I see the system (not) working.

A good citizen see's a bad citizen commit an illegal act. The good citizen wants to do something about it. He reports the action under the ASSUMPTION something can and will be done to the bad citizen by the authority. After finding out the authority can not punish the bad citizen as the good citizen see's fit, the good citizen becomes disillusioned (self perpetuated) and now is not only mad at the bad citizen, but also mad at the authority.

This I feel is where some of you are that see self policing a logical route. Unfortunately for you, you are still in the vicious cycle of disappointment. As a good citizen ultimately can not control the bad citizen and their actions. You come out of this whole thing bitter, upset and completely hopless.......yet pushing still forward with your (misguided) agenda. Hoping that public humiliation and personal reprimands are the solution. For some, even face to face confrontations are made in hopes of a final fix to the problem; still with little positive effect and no resolution made.

There's got to be a better way.........but it's not centered around you (the good citizen) changing them (the bad citizen). Think about it.

Asshole-ism feeds off of asshole-ism.:squirrel: Don't be an asshole.
 
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KarlVP said:
WTF are you talking about?

You are saying that if someone says they are carrying CONCEALED AND they are intoxicated then they are breaking the law?

I'd like to see the RCW's on that.

In this case, if I am carrying OPEN and I am intoxicated, I am within the law?

Not saying it isn't true, but If I find the rules before you I told you so.
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I retract the statement until I have time to look it up later.:awesomework:

:Edit: Unretracted. :Edit:
 
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Money Mark said:
And then the hypothetical's come crashing in.:jerkit:
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I don't ask for that, I ask for the remedy to the situation.

You, Money Mark see KarlVP dumping in public. You take pictures and video of KarlVP dumping used Tires and a Stove on DNR land. You confront KarlVP and he tells you to **** Off.

Money Mark turns in his pictures and video to the DNR and nothing happens.

KarlVP continues to dump his trash on DNR land. :awesomework:
 
KarlVP said:
Really now, I don't want to fight you.

If you catch someone on video or photo littering, dumping a meth lab, STEALING YOUR TRUCK AND DUMPING IT AT REITER, and you had photo or video evidence, you wouldn't turn it in?
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I didn't say I wouldn't turn anything in and you're confusing littering with dumping. Difference being if I were to turn in a video of littering I wouldn't expect to see anything substancial to come of it.
 
Money Mark said:
And then the hypothetical's come crashing in.:jerkit:
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But, but, BUT...

Asshole!

How dare you rain on the parade of so many people that feel something will be done if the confront the perps and turn photos into the proper authorities!

Again, I reiterate my point, you ass!:flipoff:


:;
 
Binder said:
I didn't say I wouldn't turn anything in and you're confusing littering with dumping. Difference being if I were to turn in a video of littering I wouldn't expect to see anything substancial to come of it.
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Nothing about wheeling then?

Just dumping and littering?
 
KarlVP said:
I don't ask for that, I ask for the remedy to the situation.

You, Money Mark see KarlVP dumping in public. You take pictures and video of KarlVP dumping used Tires and a Stove on DNR land. You confront KarlVP and he tells you to **** Off.

Money Mark turns in his pictures and video to the DNR and nothing happens.

KarlVP continues to dump his trash on DNR land. :awesomework:
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That sums it up.:booo::mad:

That's why folks like The Friends of the Trails (you remember them:;) post letters on trees........they are "talking" to the dumpers, where no one else can.

Some have made this situation a "Right vs. Wrong" with the person in the wrong punished without jury.......but it's just not that simple.:eeek:
 
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Seriously though. If I see a group at Elbe leaving a big mess, I would certainly ask them to clean it up. If it was a mess when they left I would most certainly give Nancy a description of the rigs and people. Most people that use Elbe are frequent users and it isn't a very big place. I can guaranty they would at the least get an earful from Nancy or worse.
 
ain'tstuckjustresting said:
Seriously though. If I see a group at Elbe leaving a big mess, I would certainly ask them to clean it up. If it was a mess when they left I would most certainly give Nancy a description of the rigs and people. Most people that use Elbe are frequent users and it isn't a very big place. I can guaranty they would at the least get an earful from Nancy or worse.
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I assure you Nancy isn't going to do anything.

It isn't that she doesn't have the balls. WE DONT.


Next time you see someone in the offroad community doing wrong. DO SOMETHING.
 
Ok. A real life solution to the problem, if you feel strongly enough to do something about it.

1. There is NOTHING you can do to stop littering; it's a choice made by an individual. That's that. Fight it or **** it, it's all the same.

2. You CAN stop illegal dumping......but not easily. And DEFINITELY NOT by reporting an isolated incident with photos, video or tape recording. If the area is a hot spot for dumping, are you sure making a stink about it is the best idea? Dumping hot spots get closed, not fixed. You know this.

3. A real solution would be to clean up the mess, regularly patrol the area and talk with people that frequent the area. If by chance you witness dumping, have the local authority contact info on hand and notify them immediately. Stall the dumpers while the authority hopefully comes in time to witness the act.......and the dumpers see that you are responsible for them getting caught. Word travels and the dumpers go somewhere else. Key words....they go somewhere else. Incident resolved, problem still a problem.

4. Wash, rinse, repeat.:mad:

If I'm honest, I have better things to do with my time. I hope you don't.
 
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Money Mark said:
Ok. A real life solution to the problem, if you feel strongly enough to do something about it.

1. There is NOTHING you can do to stop littering; it's a choice made by an individual. That's that. Fight it or **** it, it's all the same.

2. You CAN stop illegal dumping......but not easily. And DEFINITELY NOT by reporting an isolated incident with photos, video or tape recording. If the area is a hot spot for dumping, are you sure making a stink about it is the best idea? Dumping hot spots get closed, not fixed. You know this.

3. A real solution would be to clean up the mess, regularly patrol the area and talk with people that frequent the area. If by chance you witness dumping, have the local authority contact info on hand and notify them immediately. Stall the dumpers while the authority hopefully comes in time to witness the act.......and the dumpers see that you are responsible for them getting caught. Word travels and the dumpers go somewhere else. Key words....they go somewhere else. Incident resolved, problem still a problem.

4. Wash, rinse, repeat.:mad:

If I'm honest, I have better things to do with my time. I hope you don't.
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What's the difference between dumping and littering?
 

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