Binder--> horsepower & torque

[WHITE TRASH1]

At 600:1 none of that matters. It would be moving so slow that it would stop instantly when power was reduced.

Red.....And I thought we were getting somewhere.:booo: Torque at the motor matters not past break free torque (at the wheels)-once it's moving. The big diesel gains wheel speed because it has HP at very low RPM. This is what lets it not have to be geared super low.

You can't have it both ways, even in your fantasy situation you admit defeat because the gasser can't shift.

If torque doesn't matter why bother building an engine that makes it at all? We should all be cruising around with hopped up Wankel's hooked to CVT transmissions. You are trolling and talking in circles.

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Then maybe it will make sence if I ask you this? Why does it need HP at all? Why not just torque being that's what "gets it moving"?

Torque starts the party, horsepower keeps the party going.

 

[Binder]

If torque doesn't matter why bother building an engine that makes it at all?

Two things. First I explained in fairly great detail why in post 107 and second it's impossible for a engine to turn a shaft and not have torque. Remember it's a go- no go thing....

 

[Binder]

Now for you guys. If you still have doubts explain to us a scenario where torque alone moves something. Back up your claim with facts. Distance traveled, time to travel the distance, torque required to get there, etc.

Still waiting..........:corn:

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Still waiting..........:corn:

Stop trolling for a second and pay attention long enough to realize not a single person has said hp doesn't matter but that they are calculations based off and dependant directly off one another.

 

[whatthe?]

Then maybe it will make sence if I ask you this? Why does it need HP at all? Why not just torque being that's what "gets it moving"?

It doesn't. It needs torque and RPMs. We need a word to describe those two things in relation to each other so we call it HP. A person riding a bicycle on flat ground going 20mph is exerting a certain amount of torque on the pedal. RMPs are created and a power output is calculated. If that bike come to a hill and the rider wants to keep going 20mph more torque has to be applied to the pedal to keep going 20mph. RPM's have not changed but power has increased because more torque has been applied. More HP has not been applied, it's the result.

 

[chainsaw]

It doesn't. It needs torque and RPMs. We need a word to describe those two things in relation to each other so we call it HP.

Winner! You have to remember that horse power came from horses that were hooked up to a windlass walking in circles. The word its self comes from some one interpritation of a form of mechanical advantage. For me torque and horse power are two diffent ways of explaining the same thing. A recipricating mass making rotatinal motion, its simply a bunch over levers work together but doing it quickly. What kind of force does a lever make?

 

[Chevyjoe]

just read the whole thread. binder is a moron who thinks hes smart. i dont understand why you guys care to argue with him?

 

[whatthe?]

It's fun.

 

[wayne_fj40]

just read the whole thread. binder is a moron who thinks hes smart. i dont understand why you guys care to argue with him?

Because Binder is black and and we have to treat him differently :stirpot::haha:

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Because Binder is black and and we have to treat him differently :stirpot::haha:

I heard he was only black on top and chinese on the bottom? That's gotta suck, all the oppression from us white folk and hunger for fat white wimmins with none of the goods to keep them around... :flipoff:

 

[Binder]

It doesn't. It needs torque and RPMs.

Newsflash! Torque and RPM IS horsepower.:awesomework:

 

[Binder]

just read the whole thread. binder is a moron who thinks hes smart. i dont understand why you guys care to argue with him?

And in comes the trolls.:looser:

 

[Binder]

:beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorseone!

 

[whatthe?]

Newsflash! Torque and RPM IS horsepower.:awesomework:

Torque is independent of HP, you can have torque with out producing HP. But you can't have HP with out torque. HP is the expression of what is happening not the cause. Follow up on my bike example and explain how more HP would keep the rider going up the hill at 20 mph with out increasing torque since torque doesn't matter.

 

[Binder]

Torque is independent of HP, you can have torque with out producing HP. But you can't have HP with out torque. .

I've said this like a million times I think.

HP is the expression of what is happening not the cause. .

Yes, exactly. HP is a measure of work being done. Torque is a measure of a twisting force.

Follow up on my bike example and explain how more HP would keep the rider going up the hill at 20 mph with out increasing torque since torque doesn't matter.

Sure.

If that bike come to a hill and the rider wants to keep going 20mph more torque has to be applied to the pedal to keep going 20mph..

Or shift gears and apply less torque and more RPM while still maintaining the same 20MPH. More torque with less RPM or less torque with more RPM. It's the same output either way.

RPM's have not changed but power has increased because more torque has been applied. More HP has not been applied, it's the result.

And HP is a measure of the work being done as an end result, the bike going 20 MPH with X weight and Y wind resistance would require Z HP to maintain that 20 MPH. You can maintain (20 MPH=Z HP) while changing the torque and RPM..........It's really much simpler than you're trying to make it. Using the bicycle example you can have torque input to the pedals but this won't tell you how fast you can go. You can push with all your might against a wall and not move the bike or you can push with all your might on level ground and move the bike foreward. The problem is measuring how hard you push doesn't tell you what the bike is doing or can do because you don't know how fast the wheel is turning.....Likewise you can measure the RPM of the bikes wheel but this alone doesn't tell you how much torque is being applied to the pedal so you don't know what the bikes potential is.......Put the two together, torque- pressure to the pedal and RPM the wheel is turning and you have a HP number. The HP number by itself doesn't tell you if the bike is (1)in first gear and the rider is peddeling his ass off to maintain 20 MPH or if (2)the rider is in fourth gear pushing like a mo fo and his feet are barely moving to maintain the same 20 MPH. The HP number factors all of this in to tell you (1) and (2) are equal.:cheer:

 

[Binder]

We could go on and use the bicycle example to explain the last 15 pages again but it's getting kind of redundant don't you think?....For othe people reading the rider pushing on a pedal is the equivalent of torque by an engine not torque at the wheel because the bike has gears.

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

Nobody said the bike has gears. Thats my old Roger DeCoster with tuff wheels in this example. :flipoff:

 

[Binder]

Nobody said the bike has gears. Thats my old Roger DeCoster with tuff wheels in this example. :flipoff:

And I thought I was ghetto!:fawkdancesmiley:

 

[WHITE TRASH1]

If my bike is ghetto then you must be too. Afteral you stole it off my moms porch ya bastid! :haha: