Fords PSD vs Dodes Cummins..

[Lucky Jeff]

Not that tough to understand Jeff. I asked why anyone favors one over the other. Anyone can have a personal preference which is never wrong but you said there is more to it than personal preference. Here's your big chance to explain why.....I really would like to hear it as my truck is getting older and I may want to buy a new one one day. I already know what truck is best so this thread is about the engines specifically.
Seems you have trouble telling your side with anything to back it up. If the answers are "everywhere" then it should be easy for you to find them.:corn:

NONE of what I have stated has been my own personal experience on my own vehicles. It is what I have read and seen on others trucks over the many years I have been interested in messing with these diesels. I have only had two problems with my truck. A blown head gasket because of stock bolts and 60 psi of boost with increased timing. And a botched valve job thanks to the local machine shop that is now out of business. Your problem is that you can't get it through that thick skull that I am not biased. I do not pick and choose the faults and pluses that I want to believe to benefit myself. As far as I'm concerned, I lucked out with my truck, because I knew nothing about any of the things I have stated, when I first got my truck. Like I said, most of my friends own Fords, and I wanted to learn more about them because I like the truck (mainly the OBS, not a huge fan of the SD's). But the more I learned about the powerstrokes, the less I wanted one. They ALL have their issues, but the cummins is easily less of a headache.

 

[Binder]

Your problem is that you can't get it through that thick skull that I am not biased. I do not pick and choose the faults and pluses that I want to believe to benefit myself..

I understand completely. What I'm not getting across to you for some reason is your not giving any specific information. You said statistics for example. PS head gaskets blow more than Cummins head gaskets isn't a statistic. A statistic would be three times more PS head gaskets fail than Cummins head gaskets. In the other thread you said the Cummins was "stronger". Well what are you refering to? What's stronger about it?
Try posting something like this....
Here is some info I got from this sourse.

Over 2 million 7.3 liter Power Stroke equipped Ford trucks are in operation. That's more than Chevrolet, GMC, and Dodge diesel equipped trucks combined.

Information like this is relevant because if for instance a shop says twice as many PS trucks come in as Cummins trucks that would be dead even being there are twice as many PS equiped trucks.....

What this all boils down to is sorting facts from myths. Believe me if you want to read some myths go to this web site and read for a while. That's the biggest group of sheeple on the web.:haha:

What makes one "better" than the other and back it up with facts. Not that hard to understand.

 

[zukkev]

FACT: I like my 1st gen PSD better because....


































it's all MINE!!!!:;

 

[zukkev]

I see where your gettin' at binder, but the average person just isn't gonna take the time to actually research why his engine is 'better'... "It's 'better' because it's faster than my buddy's"....most average peoples' response!!! nuff said...I'm hittin' the hay...

 

[Lucky Jeff]

Nevermind Binder, the Cummins reputation is a mythical thing and made up to piss guys like you off.

 

[JAWS]

Jaws tows with a ford truck and is endorsing the cummins.

Ha rick?:haha:

Ive had 3 cummins Dodge trucks. sold my last one to buy my house. The ford is a 85 with a 5.8 and i payed 500 for it when it dies. The title is in the center counsel. You can have it. Fords make great throw away trucks.:awesomework::haha::kissmyass:

 

[Lucky Jeff]

Ive had 3 cummins Dodge trucks. sold my last one to buy my house. The ford is a 85 with a 5.8 and i payed 500 for it when it dies. The title is in the center counsel. You can have it. Fords make great throw away trucks.:awesomework::haha::kissmyass:

I wish I could have bought that purple truck.. I even called you about it once :booo:. Two 98 12 valve quad cabs in the driveway would have been awesome.

 

[Binder]

I see where your gettin' at binder, but the average person just isn't gonna take the time to actually research why his engine is 'better'... "It's 'better' because it's faster than my buddy's"....most average peoples' response!!! nuff said...I'm hittin' the hay...

Here's a quote from another thread where some guy was asking about what truck he should buy.

you know that's not true.. For the trucks, yes. For the engine, no. Cummins lasts longer, gets better mileage, is stronger, and makes more power.
Now if we're talking NEW trucks, my statement is only half true.

Rather than putting 6 pages of bullshit into that guys thread I started one here to give everyone a chance to tell why their view point of why one is better. Like I've said if it's just personal preference then fine but that doesn't make anything "better".

Nevermind Binder, the Cummins reputation is a mythical thing and made up to piss guys like you off.

It doesn't piss me off, I would just like to know the why and to point out there are many people like you who have been mislead.:;

 

[Jaydog]

Um no. Torque does nothing for helping you tow.

Isn't Torque what gets you from a dead stop to moving? :eeek:

I always thought Torque was low end power and HP was mid to top end power, are you telling me I've been wrong all these years :booo:

 

[Jaydog]

Here is a fact, an inline six is stronger than a V8.

But, IMO, that fact doesn't really matter in a pickup truck, because you won't be able to build it beyond the strength of either design, that is why all Semi's are inline six, the mains are stronger, more surface area to control the crank yada yada, but in a small vehicle like a one ton that issue is moot.

 

[jprcrpr94]

Isn't Torque what gets you from a dead stop to moving? :eeek:

I always thought Torque was low end power and HP was mid to top end power, are you telling me I've been wrong all these years :booo:

This has always been my understanding as well.

 

[Damnyankee]

bla bla bla bla.
toque vs horse power.. its all the same BS.

Binder is correct in his horse power vs torque.. the only differnece is when, how, and how long.

I know nobody would agree with this, so i searched for a laymans explanation of this canundrum. here is a pretty good laymens explanantion.

http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html

 

[Binder]

Isn't Torque what gets you from a dead stop to moving? :eeek:

I always thought Torque was low end power and HP was mid to top end power, are you telling me I've been wrong all these years :booo:

Like I said it's a deep subject for another thread. What you describe is break free torque and yes you need X amount of torque to turn the wheels from a dead stop. As well you need a minimum amount of torque to turn a wheel at any given RPM. As long as there is that minimum torque all is good. (Horse)Power is power low end or top end.....What tends to confuse people is at low RPMs a engine has more torque than horsepower so people assume it's the torque doing the work.
HP=(torque*RPM)/5252
Torque by itself isn't a motion it's a raw force. This raw force along with RPM is what makes HP. If it's moving it's measured in HP. Last I checked towing a trailer requires things to move.:redneck:
Deisel engines tend to make HP at a lower RPM range which accounts for the better fuel economy as well as other things. If you do the math you will see that in order to make HP at a lower RPM there has to be more torque.
HP is a measurement of getting something done while torque by itself does nothing.
Also remember that peak HP does no good in a tow rig if there is no way to keep the engine at peak HP. Running through the gears requires a range or RPM which is what's called the power band. If you can't operate the engine in the power band then the peak power does little good.
Clear as mud?

 

[Binder]

Here is a fact, an inline six is stronger than a V8.

What do you base this on? I don't agree and I would say either could be built "stronger" than the other. Are you meaning to say a given Cummins inline 6 is "stronger" than a given PS V8? I would agree the Cummins block/ crank/ rods can withstand more torque than the PS V8 parts.:;

 

[Binder]

bla bla bla bla.
toque vs horse power.. its all the same BS.

Binder is correct in his horse power vs torque.. the only differnece is when, how, and how long.

I know nobody would agree with this, so i searched for a laymans explanation of this canundrum. here is a pretty good laymens explanantion.

http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html

That's a good article and yes the first author was off so I was glad to see the second authors corrections. I didn't read the third part yet I have things to do.:cheer:

 

[Damnyankee]

That's a good article and yes the first author was off so I was glad to see the second authors corrections. I didn't read the third part yet I have things to do.:cheer:

I thought you everybody might appreciate an explanation in a language we can all understand..

 

[Lucky Jeff]

It doesn't piss me off, I would just like to know the why and to point out there are many people like you who have been mislead.:;

I haven't been mislead in any way. I have a better motor then you. If you don't like it, I don't care.

 

[boxboy]

I haven't been mislead in any way. I have a better motor then you. If you don't like it, I don't care.

How many thousands of dollars have you spent to get it that way on top of the original purchase price? It seems cummins forces you to spend money to get any power out of their motors...

 

[Lucky Jeff]

How many thousands of dollars have you spent to get it that way on top of the original purchase price? It seems cummins forces you to spend money to get any power out of their motors...

Go price out powerstroke injectors vs Cummins injectors :redneck:. PS injectors are at least double the price. Single turbos are close (aftermarket). But twins, the powerstroke is double. programmers are all pretty similar though.

Just go to any local dyno event, compare the two. Dodges almost always take top honors, with exception to some chevy's every now and then. Fords usually aren't even close. It's not just because of issues, it costs a lot of money to get the 6.0's and 7.3's up there. The 6.4 would hand me my ass with just a HOT tune, even when I get my truck back on the road with the goals I have. Also notice the vehicles all of the mechanics and shop owners are driving :awesomework:.

 

[Binder]

I haven't been mislead in any way. I have a better motor then you. If you don't like it, I don't care.

If you have a better motor than me I'm fine with that. I'm not one to keep up with the Jones's.
BTW do you even have a motor that runs?