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Manastash meadows up by the rocks.

Chop, i will do my best to have an effect on what rules are past and follow the rules that are in effect now and in the future. you can pop off like a big bad boy but like Pokey said, when its closed its going to be really easy to figure out whos running illegal and fine or confiscate property. i know you get a kick out of stiring things up but its time to put down your spoon and pick up the effort in helping make things better.
or keep the defetiest attitude... see where it gets you...
 
Dirtball said:
you can pop off like a big bad boy but ..... i know you get a kick out of stiring things up but its time to ..... pick up the effort in helping make things better.
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I know this is only the interweb, but I can't agree more...well said Dirtball :beer:
 
If you can't beat them then join them. Is anybody interested in getting involved in politics? Are there not any wheelers in the senate, house, government? Local reps? Run for of a small town, city council? Or just get a job in DNR? Etc.. Any ideas? We need an inside man/woman..:awesomework:
 
Pic's of the damage at last. Sorry for the delay. Please note this is not all of the damage there were 2 other sites but this best shows what was done.
 
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Where exactly is that at? Doesn't look familiar, but due to the greenery and the lack of snow, it must not have been to close to the Rocks if those pics are from Memorial Day...???
 
Jackazz said:
Yep, that was a buggy for sure.
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Wasn't me......4WS makes tite donutz.:redneck:


Actually, from the pics.......it just looks like a couple lost rigs, not knowing where the trail goes.:eeek: and one guy doing brodies.:driver:
 
Argue with Murk all you want but what everyone seems to forget is it dosent really matter what you or I think. I was with Mikki on sunday and we talked about this very subject and yes she is sure is was buggy type rigs. They see this all the time and have learned what makes what kinds of tracks. Again it dosent matter what we think what matters is what the people making decissions on how, when and where we recreate think. Bottom line is this kind of crap HAS TO STOP or our sport will be going away :booo: But hey feel free to keep kicking the folks that are trying to help in the nuts it really does a lot of good:rolleyes:
 
pokey said:
...Bottom line is this kind of crap HAS TO STOP...
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Yes, yes. We all agree. Don't think anyone will argue that Jim.


Who said that it should continue? to get you (and others) all rawled up about it? I don't remember seeing that post.:eeek:

:;:awesomework:

We (the users of this board) are not the problem. Do you think "we" are? Who specifically are you talking to when stating "...this needs to stop." ? :stirpot:
 
the first pic looks like a trail. is it not?
and the 2nd pic looks like its been that way for some some?

and yeh..um why would the word BUGGY even come to mind? you cant classify WHAT did it, just the FACT that it was done.
 
Money Mark said:
Yes, yes. We all agree. Don't think anyone will argue that Jim.


Who said that it should continue? to get you (and others) all rawled up about it? I don't remember seeing that post.:eeek:

:;:awesomework:

We (the users of this board) are not the problem. Do you think "we" are? Who specifically are you talking to when stating "...this needs to stop." ? :stirpot:
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Nobody said it "should" continue but lets face it not to many people even on here would say anything to anybody they caught doing this. Even less likly to take pics and turn them in. I mean if "everyone" would do these things then there wouldnt be a problem now would there:eeek: Its funny how you buggy guys get so rawled up at the slightest mention of the word buggy. Seems like the same issue we "jeepers" have had for years and years:haha:
 
nevada said:
the first pic looks like a trail. is it not?
and the 2nd pic looks like its been that way for some some?

and yeh..um why would the word BUGGY even come to mind? you cant classify WHAT did it, just the FACT that it was done.
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If you leave Manastash Campground on the 4W307 and head towards Tripod. You go thru the woods. Enter an area of younger trees and start on an old logging road that was ripped turning it into a trail. Follow thru and you will come to where the trail y's to the right is up a short rockface to the left bypass's the rock face. Note: The rockface route was closed a number of years ago due to numerous accidents. It has not legally been reopened but nevertheless has been reopened. Now after the rock face you go up a hill that has an offcamber section and goes up over a rootball in the trail. Very shortly afer the root section you take a hard left. The trail is now back on a ripped log road. Right at that left is the start of the most serious damage. Someone has knocked over the sign (which was old/obscured) and gone on thru into a sensitive area (some of you may remember this area which was hnown as "The Gunhole"). The "Gunhole" was closed years ago due to the sensitive nature of the area. The damaged area is not directly in the "Gunhole" Area but very near it. The damage is fresh within the last couple of weeks.

It is not possible to confuse this newly damaged area as the trail.

The other damaged areas are below this area and it looks like someone possibly got bored with the lack of challenge in this section of trail and decided to make a bypass. This is a double track vehicle that traversed up and did not get thru. This damaged section would present a challenge to anyvehicle except a very capable rig.

The other section that was damaged is purely a bypass established to avoid a snowbank that could not be navigated easily. To most people this snowbank would of turned them back. Which should mean the trail is not passable (ie: closed). But instead somebody decided causing this sort of damage was more important than respecting the trail and respecting the legitimate users rights.

Comes down to "Stay on the Trail or Stay Home".
 
Binder said:
That's fine for those that haven't built a rig yet. For the rest of us there will probably be a big effort and lawsuits involved. Unfortunately the likely outcome of a lawsuit will be a closure for everyone. I hope some of those PNW4WDA guys realise this. People aren't going to just go away if the rules change so you better represent them all.:cheer:
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I have built my rig. Twice. Working on number three. I was just saying that if the rules change then so shall my rig. I don't want to be limited on what I can do, I also don't want to pay taxes or bills......................................
 
pokey said:
I was with Mikki on sunday and we talked about this very subject and yes she is sure is was buggy type rigs. They see this all the time and have learned what makes what kinds of tracks.
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That is the most ignorant thing I've read on this board all day.

I don't care who Mikki is, I guarantee that they could not tell the difference between "buggy type rig" tracks and "4x4" tracks. Just how is that possible without seeing the vehicle?

Tell me Jim, in your's & Mikki's vast wheeling experience, what do buggy tracks look like as compared to Toyota SAS & IFS, CJ, YJ, XJ, Blazer, S10, Dakota, RAM, Suburban, Tahoe, Ranger, F-150, FJ, JK, etc...

I've only been wheeling since I was 19 so please, educate me.

I love you "old timers" that can't get your minds kick started to see that there is something past a short wheelbased stock rig :awesomework:
 

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